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INSERT INTO polls VALUES (1,'How many of you look at the computer until your eyes hurt?','3','2');
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INSERT INTO post VALUES (7,4,0,'admin','First Poll!',995955328,'What is Big, Brown with white, and has a long driveway?','icon1.gif','poll',1,0,'63.197.42.50','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (8,5,0,'tina','Signs & Symptoms of Alcoholism',996471901,'Signs & Symptoms\r\nAlcoholism is a chronic disease. It is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by periods of preoccupation with alcohol and impaired control over alcohol intake. There is continued use despite adverse consequences and distortion in thinking. Most alcoholics deny there is a problem. Other signs include:\r\n\r\nDrinking alone or in secret. \r\nNot remembering conversations or commitments. \r\nMaking a ritual of having drinks before, with or after dinner and becoming annoyed when this ritual is disturbed or questioned. \r\nLosing interest in activities and hobbies that used to bring pleasure. \r\nIrritability as usual drinking time nears, especially if alcohol isn\\\'t available. \r\nKeeping alcohol in unlikely places at home, at work or in the car. \r\nGulping drinks, ordering doubles, becoming intoxicated intentionally to feel good or drinking to feel \\\"normal.\\\" \r\nHaving problems with relationships, employment or finances or legal problems.','icon1.gif','post',1,0,'64.12.102.169','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (9,6,0,'tina','Old Preamble of Alcoholics Anonymous',996473577,'We are gathered here because we are faced with the fact that we are powerless over alcohol and unable to do anything about it without the help of a Power greater than ourselves. We feel that each person\\\'s religious views, if any, are his own affair. The simple purpose of the program of Alcoholics Anonymous is to show what may be done to enlist the aid of a Power greater than ourselves regardless of what our individual conception of that Power may be. \r\nIn order to form a habit of depending upon and referring all we do to that Power, we must at first apply ourselves with some diligence. By often repeating these acts, they become habitual and the help rendered becomes natural to us. \r\n\r\nWe have all come to know that as alcoholics we are suffering from a serious illness for which medicine has no cure. Our condition may be the result of an allergy which makes us different from other people. It has never been by any treatment with which we are familiar, permanently cured. The only relief we have to offer is absolute abstinence, the second meaning of A.A. \r\n\r\nThere are no dues or fees. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. Each member squares his debt by helping others to recover. \r\n\r\nAn Alcoholics Anonymous is an alcoholic who through application and adherence to the A.A. program has forsworn the use of any and all alcoholic beverage in any form. The moment he takes so much as one drop of beer, wine, spirits or any other alcoholic beverage he automatically loses all status as a member of Alcoholics Anonymous. A.A. is not interested in sobering up drunks who are not sincere in their desire to remain sober for all time. Not being reformers, we offer our experience only to those who want it. \r\n\r\nWe have a way out on which we can absolutely agree and on which we can join in harmonious action. Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our program. Those who do not recover are people who will not or simply cannot give themselves to this simple program. Now you may like this program or you may not, but the fact remains, it works. It is our only chance to recover. \r\n\r\nThere is a vast amount of fun in the A.A. fellowship. Some people might be shocked at our seeming worldliness and levity but just underneath there lies a deadly earnestness and a full realization that we must put first things first and with each of us the first thing is our alcoholic problem. To drink is to die. Faith must work twenty-four hours a day in and through us or we perish. \r\n\r\nIn order to set our tone for this meeting I ask that we bow our heads in a few moments of silent prayer and meditation. \r\n\r\nI wish to remind you that whatever is said at this meeting expresses our own individual opinion as of today and as of up to this moment. We do not speak for A.A. as a whole and you are free to agree or disagree as you see fit, in fact, it is suggested that you pay no attention to anything which might not be reconciled with what is in the A.A. Big Book. \r\n\r\nIf you don\\\'t have a Big Book, it\\\'s time you bought you one. Read it, study it, live with it, loan it, scatter it, and then learn from it what it means to be an A.A. \r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'64.12.102.169','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (10,7,0,'tina','Where did the steps originate?',996473883,'THE OXFORD GROUP CONNECTION\r\nThis article is an effort to put together in sequence the various events that took place in the years from 1908 to 1935 which made possible the meeting in Akron, Ohio between the AA founders, Dr. Bob Smith and Bill Wilson, and which resulted in the subsequent birth of Alcoholics Anonymous. \r\n\r\nWhere did the steps originate? In AA Comes of Age, (p.39), Bill wrote: \r\n\r\n\\\"Early AA got it\\\'s ideas of self-examination, acknowledgement of character defects, restitution for harm done, and working with others straight from the Oxford Groups and directly from Sam Shoemaker, their former leader in America, and nowhere else.\\\" (1) \r\nWe prepare to start this history with the story of Frank Buchman, the founder of the Oxford Group. You will see as we trace the paths of Dr. Bob and Bill Wilson in the years before they met, that the Oxford Group and the aforementioned cast of charact ers played a part in every twist and turn of the path that led Bill Wilson to Akron.\r\n\r\nFRANK BUCHMAN AND THE OXFORD GROUP\r\nWho were the Oxford Group (2)? In 1908, a YMCA secretary named Frank Buchman had a spiritual transformation that changed his life (3). Upon graduating in June of that year, he started a streetside church in Phi ladelphia (Church of the Good Shepherd) with a donation of seventeen dollars. The church flourished, and he started a hospice for young men which spread to other cities, and then he started a settlement house project. Frank had a violent argument with h is trustee committee because they cut the budget and the food allotment. He resigned and went to Europe, ending up at a large religious convention in Keswick, England. The spiritual transformation occurred when he heard a woman speaker talk simply about the cross of Christ. He felt the chasm separating him from Christ, and a feeling of a will to surrender. He went back to his house and wrote these words to each of his six trustees in Philadelphia: \\\"My dear friend. I have nursed ill feelings against y ou. I am sorry. Will you forgive me? Sincerely, Frank.\\\" Feeling an urge to share this experience, he went to nearby Oxford University and formed an evangelical group there among the student leaders and athletes.\r\n\r\nLater the movement spread, and groups formed over the next twenty years in England, Scotland, Holland, India, South Africa, China, Egypt, Switzerland, and North and South America. Many of the basic things they did have carried over directly into our p rogram. They practiced absolute surrender, guidance by the Holy Spirit, sharing bringing about true fellowship, life changing, faith and prayer. They aimed for absolute standards of Love, Purity, Honesty, and Unselfishness, which were an integral part o f the first AA programs in Akron and Cleveland and New York. Above all the group was a fellowship: \\\"A First Century Christian Fellowship.\\\" They carried the message aggressively to others. They met in churches, universities, and homes.\r\n\r\nThe Oxford Group and their principles were carried to the United States so that in both New York City and Akron, Ohio an Oxford Group was in place and functioning when Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith hit their respective bottoms. These two groups would befriend and teach their principles to our co-founders before they ever met, and then go on to host the fledgling groups of newly dry and nameless drunks as they came together.\r\n\r\nHere is how the Oxford Group came to the United States. One early member at Oxford, Ken Twitchell, had attended Princeton University and had a brother in New York City who was a mainstay in the Calvary Episcopal Church. This becomes one of several am azing coincidences. In 1918 during his travels, Frank Buchman met a young YMCA worker, Sam Shoemaker, in China and converted him to the Oxford Group principles. Years later, Sam became the minister of that Calvary Church in New York, and that same churc h became the titular headquarters for the Oxford Group in the United States. (The name was changed in 1928 from \\\"A First Century Christian Fellowship\\\" to the \\\"Oxford Group.\\\")\r\n\r\nThe groups\\\' popularity peaked during this period. There were 10,000 people at one meeting at Stockbridge in the Berkshire Mountains. Business teams began to have their \\\"house parties\\\" in various cities (4).\r\n\r\nIn 1931 in England, a London newspaper editor, A. J. Russell, attended an Oxford Group meeting with the intention of exposing the group. But he wrote, \\\"I came as an observer and became a convert!\\\" (Russell later edited \\\"God Calling\\\", which may have f ound it\\\'s way into material used by the early AAs.) Some 9 years later, in 1940, Richmond Walker of the Quincy, Mass. group wrote the 24-hour book still used by us today. This was modeled after Russell\\\'s \\\"God Calling\\\" but was slanted away from all spiri tual to more of a 24-hour not drinking theme. Russell\\\'s book, \\\"For Sinners Only\\\", described his journey from prodigal son to the Oxford Group and became a best seller in the early 1930s in England and the United States, and was printed in eight languages. \r\n\r\nOne chapter of the book was devoted to Calvary Episcopal Church in New York City and it\\\'s rector, Sam Shoemaker. Calvary Church became the virtual American headquarters for the Oxford Group during the 1930s. And it was here, (in the church\\\'s mission) , that Bill Wilson\\\'s sponsor, Ebby Thatcher, was living at the time of Bill\\\'s last drunk.\r\n\r\nHOW THE MESSAGE CAME TO BILL\r\nIn 1932 and 1933, a man named Rowland Hazard, son of wealthy Rhode Island mill owners and a State Senator, had become a hopeless alcoholic, and in his quest for help had sought out the world famous psychiatrist, Carl Jung. Jung told him there was no h ope for him there, and to go home and possibly find a conversion through some religious group. He did this in the Oxford Group in the United States and became sober. They taught him certain principles that he applied to his life. This story is document ed in our Big Book.\r\n\r\nIn 1934, Ebby Thatcher, childhood friend of Bill Wilson\\\'s, was about to be locked up as a chronic drunk in Bennington, Vermont. He was visited by three men from an Oxford Group; Shep Cornell, Rowland Hazard, and Cebra Graves. (A precursor to our Twelv e Step work!) They later sent Rowland Hazard back alone to see Ebby. He acted as a sort of sponsor and told his story. He taught Ebby the precepts he had learned from the Oxford Group. Later, as we know, in December of that year, Ebby had his chance t o relay these precepts to Bill Wilson. Here they are, transcribed from a tape of one of Bill\\\'s AA talks:\r\n\r\nWe admitted we were licked. \r\nWe got honest with ourselves. \r\nWe talked it over with another person. \r\nWe made amends to those we had harmed. \r\nWe tried to carry this message to others with no thought of reward. \r\nWe prayed to whatever God we thought there was. \r\n(We also have Bill\\\'s handwritten copy of the above.)\r\n\r\nNow we begin to see the emerging pattern of events in Akron and in the New York area in the ten year period before the start of AA. We see how, through the machinery of the Oxford Group and its key leaders, Frank Buchman and Sam Shoemaker, events cons pired to make possible this meeting between Bob and Bill in Akron in 1935. Shep, Cebra, and Rowland were all three Oxford Group members. They were part of the business teams which were working around the country in various cities. In November of 1934, Ebby surrendered his life to God at the Calvary Episcopal Church mission run by Sam Shoemaker. (Sam had met Frank Buchman in China in 1918, and by 1934 was regarded as a major leader of the Oxford Group movement in the United States and was hosting their headquarters.) Ebby is staying at his mission. Bill W. shows up there drunk looking for Ebby, can\\\'t find him, and goes to Towns Hospital.\r\n\r\nBill Duval recalls in a letter, \\\"Bill W. told us at the mission that he had heard that Ebby, on the previous Sunday at the Calvary Church, had witnessed that with the help of God he had been sober a number of months.\\\" Bill said that if Ebby could get help here, then he (Bill) needed help, and he could get it at the mission, also. Bill looked prosperous compared to our usual mission customers, (actually, he was wearing a Brooks Brother\\\'s suit purchased at a rummage sale for $5.00!), so we agreed that he go to Towns Hospital where Ebby and others of the group could talk to him.\r\n\r\nAfter his spiritual experience at Towns, Bill immediately made a decision to become very active in Oxford Group work, and to try to bring other alcoholics from Towns to the group. He visited the mission Oxford Group meetings and the hospital daily for four or five months, right up to the time of the Akron trip. No one stayed sober.\r\n\r\nBILL W. AND THE OXFORD GROUP WORK\r\n(Jim Newton enters the scene)\r\nRowland Hazard, who rescued Ebby in August 1934, had a thorough indoctrination in Oxford Group teachings and he passed many of these along to Ebby and Bill W. Soon after his release from Towns Hospital at the end of 1934, Bill and the rest of the alco holic contingent of the Oxford Group began gathering at Stewart\\\'s Cafeteria in New York following their regular meeting. Shep Cornell, then a member of the Oxford Group business team that included Rowland, Sam Shoemaker, and Hanford Twitchell, was also a recovering alkie. Lois Wilson talked of regular attendance at the Oxford Group meetings with Bill, Shep, and Ebby. James Houck, a nonalcoholic Oxford Group member in Frederick, Maryland, stated that Bill W. went to many Oxford Group meetings at the Franc is Scott Key Hotel in Frederick and always centered on alcohol. He was obsessed with the idea of carrying the message. The conclusion is that Bill had a wide acquaintance in Oxford Group circles, not just confined to Sam and Calvary House. Bill told Hou ck that he worked on 50 drunks in the first 6 months with no success. Calvary House was Sam\\\'s residence and contained an Oxford Group bookstore. Calvary Mission was at another location in the \\\"gas house\\\" district. Thousands of people passed through the mission where they offered lodging, free meals, and Oxford Group meetings every night. Tex Francisco was its superintendent in 1934 when Bill showed up there.\r\n\r\nNow enters the man most certainly responsible for the fateful Akron meetings between Bill and Dr. Bob. Jim Newton was surely the sole catalyst that ordained the Oxford Group would be in place in Akron, Ohio when Bill showed up there in 1935. This ama zing string of circumstances plays out as follows:\r\n\r\nJim, at age 20, was a luggage salesman in New York who had come upon an Oxford Group meeting by accident (actually, he was looking for fun and games that night!) in Massachusetts in 1923 when he was 18 years old. He was converted at the party, got on his knees and gave the direction of his life to God at that time. He met a lady named Eleanor Forde who greatly influenced his thinking about the movement. (He and Eleanor were to meet and marry 20 years later in 1943.) (5)\r\n\r\nSeveral twists and turns of fate placed Jim Newton in Akron, Ohio and installed our next cast of characters. These were both Oxford Group members and regular attendees at Oxford Group meetings. We will be talking about the intertwined relations of He nrietta Seiberling, Dr. Walter Tunks, Harvey and Russell Firestone, Sam Shoemaker, Frank Buchman, T. Henry and Clarace Williams, and Anne and Dr. Bob Smith.\r\n\r\nJim Newton went to Ft. Myers, Florida in 1926, at age 21, to visit his father,and they bought a 35 acre tract of land across the road from the Thomas Edison estate(6). Jim Newton became as an adopted son to Mr. and Mrs. Edison, and often acted as host and toastmaster at Edison\\\'s famous birthday parties which were attended by Henry Ford, Harvey Firestone, and many world renowned business leaders and public figures.\r\n\r\nHere begins another key circumstance to set the stage in Akron, Ohio. Harvey Firestone, Sr., offered Jim a job as secretary to the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company in 1926, and moved him to Akron, Ohio putting him in residence at the Portage Country Club adjacent to the Firestone Estate(7) Jim worked for Firestone eleven years and was being groomed as president of the company when he resigned and went full time with the Oxford Groups. Firestone\\\'s clergyman was Rev. Walter Tunks. Jim joined Tunks\\\' church and became active in raising funds for their birthday committee.\r\n\r\nJim had been in New York for the Jack Dempsey vs Gene Tunney fight. While there he confessed to Frank Buchman that his life was in turmoil and he was about to take a \\\"geographical cure\\\". Buchman sent him to meet Sam Shoemaker at the Calvary Church an d he made an Oxford Group confession to Sam and was led to join one of the Oxford Group business teams.\r\n\r\nThese were groups of important men who made attempts to convert others to the Oxford Group method of spirituality. Jim frequently met with the aforementioned Shep Cornell and Rowland Hazard. He met T. Henry and Clarace Williams, husband and wife Oxfo rd Group members from Akron and members of Walter Tunks\\\' church. The business team put on house parties in various cities at the finest hotels and clubs. In January of 1933, Frank Buchman, leading a team of thirty men and women, descended on Akron for t he first time to give testimonials at the Mayflower Hotel and in Akron churches, and initiate the townspeople in the experiences of the Oxford Group. Here we can clearly see input from Jim Newton\\\'s parties with Firestone and Tunks\\\' Episcopal Church group to influence the choice of Akron as the site of this endeavor, rather than some other city. Had Jim not already been a business team member and in place in Akron, it is very unlikely that Buchman would ever have chosen this small, rather unknown city as a place to pursue his evangelistic efforts. Jim was the spokesman who introduced Buchman at all the affairs that week in Akron.\r\n\r\nNow our cast of characters is nearly complete and in place. Still to appear on the scene, however, are Henrietta Seiberling, Anne and Bob Smith, and T. Henry and Clarace Williams.\r\n\r\nWhen Jim first arrived in Akron he had been welcomed into the Firestone family, and had become fast friends with a son, Russell (Bud) Firestone. Bud had a very bad drinking problem and had already been sent to several hospitals to no avail. Jim went with Bud to still another drying-out place, on the Hudson River in New York, and stayed through the entire 30 day program. Then he took Bud to an Episcopal Conference in Denver to which the Oxford Group people had been invited. On the train East again a fter the party, he was able to introduce Bud to his old Oxford Group minister, Sam Shoemaker. Alone with Sam, Bud surrendered his life to God in a private car on the train. His life changed, and his family situation and marriage were saved.\r\n\r\n\\\"Now Akron was the place where AA was to be founded. Jim Newton had helped bring to the city the Oxford Group message of his alcoholic friend, Bud Firestone. The message led to Bud\\\'s \\\"miraculous\\\" recovery which lasted for a time. The message and the recovery were broadcast to an interested community by a grateful father, Harvey Firestone, Sr., and by widespread press accounts.\\\"(7)\r\n\r\nClarace Williams was there, and joined the Oxford Group along with T. Henry Williams, and began regularly attending the meetings. About the same time, a lady named Henrietta Seiberling, the wife of John Seiberling of the Seiberling Tire and Rubber Com pany, found herself with personal and marital problems, and separated from her husband. She turned to the Oxford Group and attended the first meetings at the Mayflower Hotel. She went with a woman named Anne Smith, the wife of a well-known Akron surgeon who was in deep trouble with his drinking.\r\n\r\nThe progenitors now assume their roles. A kindly and missionary-oriented couple, the Williams, had been impressed with the Oxford Group message, and had a home to offer for a meeting place. A gifted and compassionate lady named Henrietta Seiberling, who had mastered some of the Oxford group principles, had her eye on using the biblical principles to help her good friend, Dr. Bob Smith, with his drinking problem. Add to this mix the efforts of his wife Anne, who assembled books and spiritual readings and principles from the Bible, the Oxford Group, and various other Christian writings, all the while praying for a solution to her husband\\\'s seemingly hopeless drinking problem. The talented and very alcoholic surgeon became the focus of all these effor ts. He did a lot of spiritual reading, attended a lot of meetings, but remained drunk.\r\n\r\nNow all the earlier seeming coincidences converge, and this story merges into the facts we all know from our AA literature.\r\n\r\nOnto this scene landed the \\\"rum hound\\\" from New York, moved by what both Bill Wilson and Henrietta Seiberling felt was the guidance of God. Bill had recovered from his disease, and was determined to stay sober by seeking out and helping another drunk. The \\\"rum hound from New York\\\", (Bill\\\'s self-description when he made the fateful phone call to Henrietta), \\\"just happened\\\" to bring to Akron some solutions heretofore never assembled in one place and delivered by just one person.\r\n\r\nSome important knowledge about the disease of alcoholism accumulated through the work of Dr.Silkworth at Towns Hospital in New York. \r\nAn important spiritual solution to the problem that had been passed from Dr. Carl Jung to Rowland Hazard and then on to Bill by Ebby Thatcher. \r\nA validation of this spiritual solution by the scholarly studies of Professor William James. \r\nA linkage between the problem of alcoholism, and this solution that God could and would solve the problem if a relationship were sought with Him by using the Oxford Group\\\'s practical program of action, which was already proven by the results experienc ed by Rowland and Ebby when they followed the Oxford Group program. \r\nIn Akron, T. Henry and Clarace Williams and Henrietta Seiberling were attending Oxford Group meetings at the Mayflower Hotel and elsewhere. Dr. Bob Smith also attended with his wife, Anne. He shied away from talking about his problem publicly, and con tinued drinking. In her concern for Bob, Henrietta suggested to T. Henry that if they could set up a smaller, more private meeting perhaps Bob might feel more at ease and be able to make a confession in the Oxford Group fashion, and a commitment to sobri ety. T. Henry\\\'s home was chosen for this special meeting and these meetings started on a Wednesday in April of 1935--just one month before Bill Wilson came to Akron. These meetings were usually led by T. Henry, Henrietta, or Florence Main, and at one of these Dr. Bob was able to confess that he was a secret drinker and needed help as he could not stop. This was the very place that was to become the home to the \\\"about to begin\\\" Alcoholic Contingent of the Oxford Group.\r\n\r\nWe can now see how all these characters contributed to putting Dr. Bob and Bill at a meeting in Henrietta Seiberling\\\'s home in the Gate House of the Firestone Estate, and make possible the founding of Alcoholics Anonymous.\r\n\r\nAKRON - MAY 11, 1935\r\nWe can find no references anywhere to indicate that Bill Wilson considered or made any conscious effort to locate an Oxford Group member when he made his desperation phone call in the Mayflower Hotel in Akron. Henrietta Seiberling wrote as follows:\r\n\r\n\\\"Bill looked into the cocktail room and was tempted and thought, \\\'Well, I\\\'ll just go in there and get drunk and forget it all and that will be the end of it!\\\' \\\"\r\n\r\nInstead, having been sober five months in the Oxford Group, he said a prayer. He received guidance to look at a ministers\\\' directory board and a strange thing happened. He put his finger on one name--Tunks. The Rev. Walter Tunks was Harvey Firestone \\\'s minister, and Firestone had brought Buchman and thirty Oxford Group members to Akron for ten days in gratitude for their help for his son, Russell, a drunkard.\r\n\r\nOut of the act of gratitude of this one father, this whole chain started.\r\n\r\nR.R.\r\nIN AN ATTEMPT TO PAY BACK JUST A LITTLE . . .\r\nThis article was written in an attempt to preserve and to \\\"pass on\\\" the accurate history of the beginnings of AA, before the sands of time obscure them completely as they have a habit of doing so well.\r\n\r\nIt was forwarded to New York and reviewed for accuracy before going to press. However, if you have any questions or comments, or would like permission to reprint, I would be delighted to hear from you.\r\n\r\nFeel free to call, or better yet, visit me at my home group.\r\n\r\nThe Find Yourself Group\r\n10891 102nd Av. N.\r\nSeminole, Fl. 34648  \r\n\r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'64.12.102.169','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (11,8,0,'tina','Morris Markey, \\\" Alcoholics and God,\\\" Liberty, September 1939',998710827,'Is there hope for habitual drunkards?\r\nA cure that borders on the miraculous-and it works!\r\nFor twenty-five or thirty cents we buy a glass of fluid which is pleasant to the taste, and which contains within its small measure a store of warmth and good-fellowship and stimulation, of release from momentary cares and anxieties. That would be a drink of whisky, of course-whisky, which is one of Nature\\\'s most generous gifts to man, and at the same time one of his most elusive problems. It is a problem because, like many of his greatest benefits, man does not quite know how to control it. Many experiments have been made, the most spectacular being the queer nightmare of prohibition, which left such deep scars upon the morals and the manners of our nation. Millions of dollars have been spent by philanthropists and crusaders to spread the doctrine of temperance. In our time the most responsible of the distillers are urging us to use their wares sensibly, without excess. \r\n\r\nBut to a certain limited number of our countrymen neither prohibition nor wise admonishments have any meaning, because they are helpless when it comes to obeying them. I speak of the true alcoholics, and before going any further I had best explain what that term means. \r\n\r\nFor a medical definition of the term, I quote an eminent doctor who, has spent twenty-five years treating such people in a highly regarded private hospital: \\\"We believe . . . that the action of alcohol in chronic alcoholics is a manifestation of an allergy-that the phenomenon of craving is limited to this class and never occurs in the average temperate drinker. These allergic types can never safely use alcohol in any form at all.\\\" \r\n\r\nThey are, he goes on, touched with physical and mental quirks which prevent them from controlling their own actions. They suffer from what some doctors call a \\\"compulsion neurosis.\\\" They know liquor is bad for them but periodically, they are driven by a violent and totally uncontrollable desire for a drink. And after that first drink, the deluge.\\\' \r\n\r\nNow these people are genuinely sick. The liquor habit with them is not a vice. It is a specific illness of body and mind, and should be treated as such. \r\n\r\nBy far the most successful cure is that used by the hospital whose head doctor I have quoted. There is nothing secret about it. It has the endorsement of the medical profession. It is, fundamentally, a process of dehydration: of removing harmful toxins from all parts of the body faster than Nature could accomplish it. Within five or six days-two weeks at the maximum- the patient\\\'s body is utterly free from alcoholic poisons. Which means that the physical craving is completely cured, because the body cries out for alcohol only when alcohol is already there. The patient has no feeling of revulsion toward whisky. He simply is not interested in it. He has recovered. But wait. How permanent is his recovery? \r\n\r\nOur doctor says this: \\\" Though the aggregate of full recoveries through physical and psychiatric effort its considerable, we doctors must admit that we have made little impression upon the problem as a whole. For there are many types which do not respond to the psychological approach. \r\n\r\n\\\" I do not believe that true alcoholism is entirely a matter of individual mental control. I have had many men who had, for example, worked for a period of months on some business deal which was to be settled on a certain date.... For reasons they could not afterward explain, they took a drink a day or two prior to the date . . . and the important engagement was not even kept. These men were not drinking to escape. They were drinking to overcome a craving beyond their mental control. \r\n\r\n\\\" The classification of alcoholics is most difficult. There are, of course,\\\" the psychopaths who are emotionally unstable.... They are overremorseful and make many resolutions -but never a decision. \r\n\r\n\\\" There is the type who is unwilling to admit that he cannot take a drink just like the rest of the boys. He does tricks with his drinking- changing his brand, or drinking only after meals or changing his companions. None of this helps him strengthen his control and be like other people. Then there are types entirely normal in every respect except in the effect which alcohol has upon them . . . \r\n\r\n\\\" All these, and many others, have one symptom in common: They cannot start drinking without developing the phenomenon of craving.... The only relief we have to suggest is complete abstinence from alcohol \\\" But are these unfortunate people really capable, mentall, of abstaining completely? Their bodies may be cured of craving. Can their minds be cured? Can they be rid of the deadly \\\" compulsion neurosis \\\"? \r\n\r\nAmong physicians the general opinion seems to be that chronic alcoholics are doomed. . . \r\n\r\nBut wait! \r\n\r\nWithin the last four years, evidence has appeared which has startled hard-boiled medical men by proving that the compulsion neurosis can be entirely eliminated. Perhaps you are one of those cynical people who will turn away when I say that the root of this new discovery is religion. But be patient for a moment. About three years ago a man appeared at the hospital in New York of which our doctor is head physician. It was his third \\\"cure.\\\" Since his first visit he had lost his job, his friends, his health, and his self-respect. He was now living on the earnings of his wife. \r\n\r\nHe had tried every method he could find to cure his disease: had read all the great philosophers and psychologists. He had tried religion but he simply could not accept it. It would not seem real and personal to him. \r\n\r\nHe went through the cure as usual and came out of it in very low spirits. He was lying in bed, emptied of vitality and thought, when suddenly, a strange and totally unexpected thrill went through his body and mind. He called out for the doctor. When the doctor came in, the man looked up at him and grinned. \r\n\r\n\\\"Well, doc,\\\" he said, \\\"my troubles are all over. I\\\'ve got religion.\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"Why, you\\\'re the last man . . .\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"Sure, I know all that. But I\\\'ve got it. And I know I\\\'m cured of this drinking business for good.\\\" He talked with great intensity for a while and then said, \\\" Listen, doc. I\\\'ve got to see some other patient- one that is about to be dismissed.\\\" \r\n\r\nThe doctor demurred. It all sounded a trifle fanatical. But finally he consented. And thus was born the movement which is now flourishing with almost sensational success as Alcoholics Anonymous.\\\" \r\n\r\nHere is how it works: \r\n\r\nEvery member of the group-which is to say every person who has been saved-is under obligation to carry on the work, to save other men. That, indeed, is a fundamental part of his own mental cure. He gains strength and confidence by active work with other victims. \r\n\r\nHe finds his subject among acquaintances, at a \\\"cure\\\" institution or perhaps by making inquiry of a preacher, a priest, or a doctor. He begins his talk with his new acquaintance by telling him the true nature of his disease and how remote are his chances for permanent cure. \r\n\r\nWhen he has convinced the man that he is a true alcoholic and must never drink again, he continues: \r\n\r\n\\\"You had better admit that this thing is beyond your own control. You\\\'ve tried to solve it by yourself, and you have failed. All right. Why not put the whole thing into the hands of Somebody Else?\\\" \r\n\r\nEven though the man might be an atheist or agnostic, he will almost always admit that there is some sort of force operating in the world-some cosmic power weaving a design. And his new friend will say: \r\n\r\n\\\"I don\\\'t care what you call this Somebody Else. We call it God. But whatever you want to call it, you had better put yourself into its hands. Just admit you\\\'re licked, and say, `Here I am, Somebody Else. Take care of this thing for me.\\\'\\\" The new subject will generally consent to attend one of the weekly meetings of the movement. \r\n\r\nHe will find twenty-five or thirty ex-drunks gathered in somebody\\\'s home for a pleasant evening. There are no sermons. The talk is gay or serious as the mood strikes. The new candidate cannot avoid saying to himself, \\\"These birds are ex-drunks. And look at them! They must have something. It sounds kind of screwy, but whatever it is I wish to heaven I could get it too.\\\" \r\n\r\nOne or another of the members keeps working on him from day to day. And presently the miracle-But let me give you an example: I sat down in a quiet room with Mr. B., a stockily built man of fifty with a rather stern, intelligent face. \r\n\r\n\\\"I\\\'ll tell you what happened a year ago.\\\" He said. \\\"I was completely washed up. Financially I was all right, because my money is in a trust fund. But I was a drunken bum of the worst sort. My family was almost crazy with my incessant sprees.\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"I took the cure in New York.\\\" (At the hospital we have mentioned.) \\\"When I came out of it, the doctor suggested I go to one of these meetings the boys were holding. I just laughed. My father was an atheist and had taught me to be one. But the doctor kept saying it wouldn\\\'t do me any harm, and I went.\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"I sat around listening to the jabber. It didn\\\'t register with me at all. I went home. But the next week I found myself drawn to the meeting. And again they worked on me while I shook my head. I said, \\\'It seems O.K. with you, boys, but I don\\\'t even know your language. Count me out.\\\'\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"Somebody said the Lord\\\'s Prayer, and the meeting broke up. I walked three blocks to the subway station. Just as I was about to go down the stairs-bang!\\\" He snapped fingers hard. \\\"It happened! I don\\\'t like that word miracle, but that\\\'s all I can call it. The lights in the street seemed to flare up. My feet seemed to leave the pavement. A kind of shiver went over me, and I burst out crying. \r\n\r\n\\\"I went back to the house where we had met, and rang the bell, and Bill let me in. We talked until two o\\\'clock in the morning. I haven\\\'t touched a drop since, and I\\\'ve set four other fellows on the same road. \r\n\r\nThe doctor, a nonreligious man himself, was at first utterly astonished at the results that began to appear among his patients. But then he put his knowledge of psychiatry and psychology to work. \r\n\r\nThese men were experiencing a psychic change. Their so-called \\\"compulsion neurosis\\\" was being altered-transferred from liquor to something else. Their psychological necessity to drink was being changed to a psychological necessity to rescue their fellow victims from the plight that made themselves so miserable. It is not a new idea. It is a powerful and effective working out of an old idea. We all know that the alcoholic has an urge to share his troubles. Psychoanalysts use this urge. They say to the alcoholic, in basic terms: \\\"You can\\\'t lick this problem yourself. Give me the problem-transfer the whole thing to me and let me take the whole responsibility.\\\" But the psychoanalyst, being of human clay, is not often a big enough man for that job. The patient simply cannot generate enough confidence in him. But the patient can have enough confidence in God-once he has gone through the mystical experience of recognizing God. And upon that principle the Alcoholic Foundation rests. \r\n\r\nThe medical profession, in general, accepts the principle as sound. \r\n\r\n\\\"Alcoholics Anonymous\\\" have consolidated their activities in an organization called the Alcoholic Foundation. It is a nonprofit-making enterprise. Nobody connected with it is paid a penny. It is not a crusading movement. It condemns neither liquor nor the liquor industry. Its whole concern is with the rescue of allergic alcoholics, the small proportion of the population who must be cured or perish. It preaches no particular religion and has no dogma, no rules. Every man conceives God according to his own lights. \r\n\r\nGroups have grown up in other cities. The affairs of the Foundation are managed by three members of the movement and four prominent business and professional men, not alcoholics, who volunteered their services. \r\n\r\nThe Foundation has lately published a book, called Alcoholics Anonymous. And if alcoholism is a problem in your family or among your friends, I heartily recommend that you get hold of a copy. It may very well help you to guide a sick man--an allergic alcoholic-- on the way to health and contentment. \r\n\r\n\r\nTHE END\r\n','icon1.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.179','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (12,9,0,'tina','A.A. STUDY GROUPS',998711029,'Probably the most beneficial thing in the author\\\'s learning of the recovery program (as embodied in the Big Book and theTwelve Steps) were the Joe and Charlie Big Book Seminars. They did a line by line study of the first 103 pages. They made the unclear clear. They did it with humor, with purpose, and with brevity. \r\n\r\n        Many have wanted to do something similar with A.A.\\\'s roots, as a complement to the Big Book study. This is being done in some areas. But there can be a much more precise approach, one that will complement the Big Book and enable spiritual growth within A.A. itself. \r\n\r\n        Some are intimidated by this. Even the Joe and Charlie Big Book Seminars have been subjected to the comments that they violate the Traditions and that they speak of non-Conference approved literature. But the Seminars have stood the test of time, with A.A.\\\'s own archivist from New York often participating. Not so easy when the roots have been involved, but it is simply because AAs don\\\'t know their own history and traditions. \r\n\r\n        Here are some pointers: \r\n\r\n\r\nEvery early A.A. meeting in Akron and many in New York, involved discussion of the Bible and Christian subject matter. They involved use of outside literature, particularly The Upper Room and My Utmost for His Highest. Dr. Bob\\\'s Bible is still taken to the podium at the King School Group meeting in Akron (A.A. No. 1). \r\n\r\nThere is no Tradition that can, should, or does forbid discussion of A.A. history or the Bible or literature that early A.A.\\\'s used. Box 459 has an excellent article on that point. The article can be obtained from General Services in New York or from the author. \r\n\r\nLearn well the words of the Long Form of Tradition Three: \\\"Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought A.A. membership ever depend upon money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation.\\\" \r\n\r\nLearn well the precise words of Long Form Tradition Ten: \\\"No A.A. group or member should ever, in such a way as to implicate A.A., express any opinion on outside controversial issues--particularly those of politics, alcohol reform, or sectarian religion. The Alcoholics Anonymous groups oppose no one. Concerning such matters they can express no views whatever.\\\" \r\n\r\nThe foregoing facts have not stopped people from objecting or trying to ban the Bible, early A.A. literature, and discussion of the foregoing at this or that meeting. One group was removed from the meeting list because it studied Emmet Fox\\\'s The Sermon on the Mount. That did not make the action correct. But AAs who want to learn, study, and grow in the roots which were part and parcel of their history should not be intimidated by erroneous comments, actions, or interpretations, however sincere, well-intentioned, or vociferous. Thus Roman Catholics have been holding retreats for AAs for decades. Bill Wilson often cited this as an example of why Bible study was permissible in A.A. The matters that the traditions discuss have to do with SECTARIAN or DENOMINATIONAL religious practices. A.A.\\\'s Preamble so states. \r\n\r\nThe point of all this is that AAs today are searching for ways to remain within A.A. and, at the same time, learn more about the language A.A.\\\'s Big Book, Twelve Steps, and Fellowship use. They want to remain in A.A. and practice Eleventh Step spiritual growth by learning about, studying, and discussing \\\"helpful books.\\\" The Big Book does not say, \\\"There are many helpful books also\\\" [p. 87]; but don\\\'t you dare read or discuss them. The Big Book does not say, \\\"Suggestions about these may be obtained from one\\\'s priest, minister, or rabbi\\\" [p. 87]; but don\\\'t ever mention this in an A.A. meeting. The Big Book does not say, \\\"Be quick to see where religious people are right. Make use of what they have to offer\\\" [p. 87]; but be sure they are never seen, discussed, or quoted in an A.A. meeting. \r\n\r\nAAs need to know at least this much about their own history. The Reverend Sam Shoemaker and Father Ed Dowling, S.J., spoke to all AAs convened at A.A.\\\'s Twentieth Convention. Their remarks are contained in Conference Approved literature (A.A. Comes of Age). The Reverend Sam Shoemaker and The Right Reverend Monsignor John J. Dougherty spoke to all AAs at their next International Convention, which was at Long Beach. The Reverend Sam Shoemaker wrote many articles for the A.A. Grapevine. Remarks of The Reverend Dr. Harry Emerson Fosdick are quoted at length in A.A.\\\'s Conference Approved A.A. Comes of Age. \r\n\r\nWhatever some may think, A.A. has no index of forbidden books. A.A. has never excluded priests or sisters or ministers from its meetings even when they were not drunks. A.A. has studied the Bible in its meetings for years. And whenever two or three AAs are gathered together for sobriety, they may, as they have done for years, discuss the Bible, discuss the books they have read, and compare these to Big Book and Step concepts. They may discuss any and every facet of the Eleventh Step and the Big Book comments about it. It may well be that they would catch flack if they were a group of Christian Scientists, Roman Catholics, Moslems, or atheists who exclude others, call themselves a Christian Science A.A. Group, and confine their approach to a Moslem or Roman Catholic view of A.A. But the author has heard there are atheist A.A. groups, gay and lesbian groups, young people\\\'s groups, and so on. Apparently, these affiliations have not resulted in evictions, whether that would be justified or not. In short, A.A.\\\'s inclusiveness, does not mean exclude thinking or free speech. \r\n\r\nFinally, if in doubt, write to the New York office as people have done for years. Both Bill Wilson and A.A.\\\'s just retired archivist have fielded many a question. The result was not a prohibition, but a sharing of A.A. experience. \r\n\r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.179','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (13,10,0,'tina','A.A.\\\'s Consistent Focus on Finding God',998711128,'The First Edition of A.A.\\\'s basic textbook, Alcoholics Anonymous \r\nFrom its inception, Alcoholics Anonymous has focused on finding God. Page 71 of the First Edition of the Big Book says (as do the later editions) \\\"But there is One who has all power--That One is God. May you find Him now!\\\" Even more significant, page 13 of the multilith copy of the Big Book which was circulated before publication said: \\\"Each individual, in the personal stories, describes in his own language, and from his own point of view the way he found or rediscovered God.\\\" Page 13 of the multilith also quoted \\\"the distinguished American psychologist, William James,\\\" stating his book \\\"indicates a multitude of ways in which men have found God.\\\" \r\n\r\nA.A.\\\'s current textbook, The Third Edition of Alcoholics Anonymous \r\n\r\nThe Third Edition of A.A.\\\'s Big Book speaks, on page 116, of the opening up of \\\"a path which led to the discovery of God.\\\" Page 59 speaks of finding God. Page 192 tells how A.A. Number Three (Bill Dotson) \\\"found God.\\\" Page 341 tells of the housewife who had found and known \\\"faith in the reality of God.\\\" \r\n\r\n\r\nWhat God?\r\nJust who was this God that AAs were enjoined to find? Their Big Book made over 200 specific, unqualified references to God. It made twelve references to our Creator. It made two references to Maker. It referred to God as Father and (from the Book of James) as Father of Light. (See Dick B., Turning Point, pp. 230-231, for documentation). In fact, all of these words referred to God as He describes Himself in the Bible. \r\n\r\nGod as He describes Himself in the Bible \r\n\r\nFor Creator, see Ecclesiastes 12:1, Isaiah 43:15, Romans 1:25, 1 Peter 4:19. For Maker, see Psalm 95:6. For Father, see Matthew 5:45. For Father of Lights, see James 1:17. A.A.\\\'s founders (Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith) referred to God in Biblical terms as \\\"Heavenly Father,\\\" \\\"living God,\\\" \\\"God Almighty,\\\" and \\\"God, our Father\\\" (For A.A. and Biblical sources, see Dick B., The Good Book and The Big Book, pp. 50-51, Bridge Builders Edition). \r\n\r\nThe A.A. path for finding and establishing a relationship with, our Creator \r\n\r\nFinding God, then, was accomplished by using the path of the Twelve Steps to find and establish a relationship with our Creator, God. The Creator, Almighty God, is first mentioned in Genesis 1:1: \\\"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.\\\" \r\n\r\n\r\nBiblical Roots for the Need to Find God\r\nThe idea of \\\"finding God\\\" goes far back in Biblical writing. It also goes back to \\\"A First Century Christian Fellowship\\\" known as the Oxford Group (of which A.A. was an integral part at the beginning) and to the teachings of The Reverend Samuel M. Shoemaker, Jr., rector of Calvary Episcopal Church in New York (whom Bill Wilson called a \\\"co-founder of A.A.\\\" and a \\\"wellspring\\\" of its spiritual ideas. \r\n\r\nIn the Bible Itself \r\n\r\nIn what is often called the oldest book in the Bible, Job cried out concerning God \\\"Oh that I knew where I might find him!\\\" (Job 23:3). Years after A.A. was founded, Dr. Carl Gustav Jung explained in a letter to Bill Wilson that the solution (through conversion) that AAs had needed and developed could be explained as follows: the union with God. Jung sited Psalm 42:1 \\\"As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.\\\" \r\n\r\nIn the First Century Christian Fellowship of which Early A.A. was a part \r\n\r\nDr. Leslie D. Weatherhead, whose books were owned by Bill Wilson, was an early writer on the Oxford Group. In 1933, Weatherhead published his book How Can I Find God? (London: Hodder & Stoughton, Ltd., 1933). It discussed such topics as (1) \\\"Do we really want to find Him?\\\" (2) \\\"Are we hiding from Him?\\\" (3) \\\"How may we find Him?\\\" (4) \\\"How shall I know I have found Him?\\\" Bill Wilson\\\'s Oxford Group friend Bill Kitchen wrote in his popular book I Was a Pagan as follows: \\\"Yet my real education did not begin till the day that I found God\\\" (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1934), p. 94. And Bill\\\'s spiritual teacher Sam Shoemaker wrote an article in The Calvary Evangel in August of 1935, titled \\\"The Way to Find God.\\\" Later, Faith at Work published Shoemaker\\\'s pamphlet \\\"How to Find God.\\\" And Shoemaker\\\'s very first Oxford Group book, Realizing Religion, concluded its first chapter with this statement: \\\"What you want is simply a vital religious experience. You need to find God. You need Jesus Christ.\\\" \r\n\r\n\r\nEarly AAs Followed Suit\r\nEarly AAs, then, set about the path of finding God. The steps they took to that end constituted the path about which the Big Book said: \\\"Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path.\\\" This affirmation was followed shortly by the emphatic desire for Big Book readers: \\\"May you find Him now\r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.179','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (14,11,0,'tina','Dr. Silkworth on Jesus Christ',998711260,'Twelve Step people who study A.A.\\\'s Big Book are, of course, familiar with Bill Wilson\\\'s medical mentor, Dr. William Duncan Silkworth. Bill called him the benign \\\"little doctor who loved drunks.\\\" Silkworth, a psychiatrist, had treated thousands of alcoholics and was director of Towns Hospital in New York where Bill had several times sought help. Though Silkworth had explained the disease of alcoholism to Bill, Bill continued to drink until he met his \\\"sponsor\\\" Ebby Thacher, who had recovered through the spiritual program of the Oxford Group. Ebby had also gone to Calvary Rescue Mission, run by Dr. Sam Shoemaker\\\'s Calvary Episcopal Church in New York; and Ebby had there made a decision for Christ. Wilson went there for the same purpose and, according to a conversation the author had with Dr. Shoemaker\\\'s widow (Helen Smith Shoemaker), Bill Wilson made a decision for Christ at the Rescue Mission. Bill stayed drunk for a few days and then checked into Towns Hospital and again sought help from Dr. Silkworth. And it was during this stay, that Bill took the life-changing steps of the Oxford Group, had his \\\"hot flash experience,\\\" reported it to Dr. Silkworth, and was told by Silkworth that he (Bill) had better hang on to what had happened to him. Silkworth later was asked to write the \\\"Doctor\\\'s Opinion\\\" that opens the basic text of the Big Book. Silkworth\\\'s picture appears in A.A.\\\'s Pass It On, the biography of Bill\\\'s life. \r\n\r\n        Shortly before his death, the author spent an hour with Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, friend of A.A., the Rev. Sam Shoemaker, and Bill Wilson. Dr. Peale told me of the conversations he had with Bill Wilson about Bill\\\'s conversion. However, until 1997, I had never heard the following account by Peale about Dr. William Duncan Silkworth. It can be found in Norman Vincent Peale, The Positive Power of Jesus Christ (New York: Foundation for Christian Living, 1980), pp. 60-61. It appears under the title \\\"The Wonderful Story of Charles K.\\\": \r\n\r\n        Charles, a businessman in Virginia, had become a full-fledged alcoholic; so much so that he had to have help, and fast, for his life was cracking up. He made an appointment with the late Dr. William Duncan Silkworth, one of the nation\\\'s greatest experts on alcoholism, who worked in a New York City hospital [the Charles Towns Hospital]. Receiving Charles into his clinic as a patient, the doctor gave him treatment for some days, then called him into his office. \\\"Charles,\\\" he said, \\\"I have done everything I can for you. At this moment you are free of your trouble. But there is an area in your brain where you may hold a reservation and that could, in all likelihood, cause you to return to your drinking. I wish that I might reach this place in your consciousness, but alas, I do not have the skill.\\\" \r\n\r\n        \\\"But, doctor,\\\" exclaimed Charles, \\\"you are the most skilled physician in this field. When I came to you it was to the greatest. If you cannot heal me, then who can possibly do so?\\\" The doctor hesitated, then said thoughtfully, \\\"There is another Doctor who can complete this healing, but He is very expensive.\\\" \r\n\r\n        \\\"That\\\'s all right,\\\" cried Charles, \\\"I can get the money. I can pay his fees. I cannot go home until I am healed. Who is this doctor and where is he?\\\" \r\n\r\n        \\\"Oh, but this Physician is not at all moderate as to expense,\\\" persisted Dr. Silkworth. \\\"He wants everything you\\\'ve got. He wants you, all of you. Then He gives the healing. His price is your entire self.\\\" Then he added slowly and impressively, \\\"His name is Jesus Christ and He keeps office in the New Testament and is available whenever you need Him.\\\" \r\n\r\n        Dr. Peale then describes the healing of Charles through the power of Jesus Christ. \r\n\r\n','icon12.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.179','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (15,12,0,'tina','',998711871,'The Saturday Evening Post\r\nThe Drunkard\\\'s Best Friend \r\nBy Jack Alexander\r\n\r\n\r\nWhen a farmer in Aroostook County, Maine announces that he is going to bake a cake, he is speaking figuratively. What he means is that he is bored with the loneliness of Aroostook\\\'s vast reaches, with the county\\\'s most famous product, potatoes, and with life in general; and that, to relieve his boredom, he is going on a vanilla-extract bender. In order to buy liquor he might have to drive as much as a hundred miles over drifted or rutted roads, to reach a town uninhibited by local option. He tipples on vanilla, which is rich in alcohol, because it is easily and legally obtainable, in quantity, at the nearest grocery store. Grocers in local-option towns ordinarily do a thriving vanilla business with alcoholically inclined agrarians, but of late the strange society known as Alcoholics Anonymous has taken root in Aroostook and a disturbing effect on the vanilla turnover has been observed.\r\n\r\n\\\"You wouldn\\\'t believe it, Ned,\\\" one storekeeper lamented to a drummer on a gray day last November, \\\" but my vanilla sales is almost down to normal.\\\"\r\n\r\nThe impact of Alcoholics Anonymous upon a community is not always that striking, but it is doing quite well at its self-appointed task, which, as almost everyone knows by now, is that of helping confirmed drunks to quit drinking. The help is provided solely by alcoholics who, through adhering to a specified program of living, have managed to arrest their own disastrous drinking habits. (A. A. members never call themselves ax-alcoholics, regardless of the length of their sobriety, the theory being that they are ineradicably alcoholics by temperament, and are therefore always vulnerable to a relapse.)\r\n\r\nDuring the past few years Alcoholics Anonymous has extended its influence overseas, and one of its more dedicated workers is the honorable secretary of the Dublin group. A Sandhurst graduate and a veteran of twenty-six years in the British Army, he is still remembered in some portions of the Middle East for his inspired work with the bottle. Now an abstainer, he lives off his major\\\'s pension and the profits of a small retail business. Like all faithful members of A.A., he spends much of his spare time in shepherding other lushes toward total abstinence, lest he revert to the pot himself.\r\n\r\nThe honorable secretary is a man of few spoken words, but he carries on a large correspondence within the fraternity. His letters, which are notable for their eloquent understatement, are prized by fellow A.A.\\\'s in this country and are passed around at meetings. One of his more fascinating communiques, received here in October, described a missionary trip to Cork, in company with another A.A. gentleman. The purpose of the trip was to bring the glad tidings of freedom to any Corkonians who might happen to be besotted and unshriven, and to stimulate the local group, which was showing small promise.\r\n\r\nThis was the honorable secretary\\\'s chronological report:\r\n\r\n8 P.M. The chairman and myself sat alone.\r\n\r\n8:05 One lady arrived, a nonalcoholic.\r\n\r\n8:15 One man arrived.\r\n\r\n8:20 A County Cork member arrived to say he couldn\\\'t stay, as his children had just developed measles.\r\n\r\n8:25 The lone lady departed.\r\n\r\n8:30 Two more men arrived.\r\n\r\n8:40 One more man arrived, and I decided to make a start.\r\n\r\n8:45 The first man arrival stated that he had to go out and have a drink.\r\n\r\n8:50 He came back.\r\n\r\n8:55 Three more arrived.\r\n\r\n9:10 Another lady, propped up by a companion, arrived, gazed glassily around, collected some literature and departed unsteadily.\r\n\r\n9:30 The chairman and I had finished speaking.\r\n\r\n9:45 We reluctantly said good night to the new members, who seemed very interested.\r\n\r\nIn summing up, the secretary said: \\\"A night of horror at first, developing quite well. I think they have good prospects, once the thing is launched.\\\"\r\n\r\nTo a skeptic, the honorable secretary\\\'s happy prognosis in the face of initial discouragement may sound foolishly hopeful. To those already within the fraternity and familiar with the sluggardly and chaotic character of A.A. Iocal-group growth in its early stages, he was merely voicing justifiable optimism. For some years after its inception, in 1935, the Alcoholics Anonymous movement itself made slow progress. As the work of salvaging other drunks is essential to maintaining the sobriety of the already-salvaged brethren, the earnest handful of early salvagees spent some worrisome months. Hundreds of thousands of topers were prowling about in full alcoholic cry, but few would pause long enough to listen.\r\n\r\nSix years after it all began, when this magazine first examined the small but encouraging phenomenon (Post, March 1, 1941), the band could count 2000 members, by scraping hard, and some of these were still giving off residual fumes. In the nine years which have intervened since that report, the small phenomenon has become a relatively large one. Today its listed membership exceeds 90,000. Just how many of these have substantial sobriety records is a matter of conjecture, as the movement, which has no control at the top and is constantly ridden by maverick tendencies, operates in a four-alarm-fire atmosphere, and no one has the time to check up. A reasonable guess would be that about two thirds have been sober for anywhere from six months to fifteen years, and that the rest have stretched out their periods of sobriety between twisters to the point where they are at least able to keep their jobs.\r\n\r\nThe intake of shaky-fingered newcomers, now at its highest in A.A. history, is running at the rate of around 20,000 a year. The number that will stick is, again, a matter of conjecture. If experience repeats, according to A.A. old-timers, about one half will stay sober from the start, and one fourth will achieve sobriety after a few skids; the other one fourth will remain problem drinkers. A problem drinker, by definition, is one who takes a drink for some compulsive reason he cannot identify and, having taken it, is unable to stop until he is drunk and acting like a lunatic.\r\n\r\nHow Many of the Four Million Will Join?\r\n\r\nIT is tempting to become oversanguine about the success of Alcoholics Anonymous to date. Ninety thousand persons, roaring drunk or roaring sober, are but a drop in the human puddle, and they represent only a generous dip out of the human alcoholic puddle. According to varying estimates, between 750,000 and 1,000,000 problem drinkers are still on the loose in the United States alone. Their numbers will inevitably be swelled in future years by recruits from the ranks of between 3,000,000 and 4,000,000 Americans who, by medical standards, drink too much for their own good. Some of these millions will taper off or quit when they reach the age at which the miseries of a hang-over seem too great a price to pay for an evening of artificially induced elation; but some will slosh over into the compulsive-drinker class.\r\n\r\nThe origins of alcoholism, which is now being widely treated as a major public-health problem, are as mysterious as those of cancer. They are perhaps even harder to pin down, because they involve psychic as well as physical elements. Currently, the physical aspect is being investigated by universities and hospitals, and by publicly and privately financed foundations. Some large business and industrial firms, concerned about reduced productivity and absenteeism, are providing medical and psychiatric aid to alcoholic employees. The firms\\\' physicians are also digging into the alcoholic puzzle. The most plausible tentative explanation that any of these investigative efforts has come up with is that alcoholism is a sickness resembling that caused by various allergies.\r\n\r\nPsychiatry has its own approach to the problem; it is successful in only a small percentage of cases. Clergymen, using a spiritual appeal, and the beset relatives of alcoholics, using everything from moral suasion to a simple bat in the jaw, manage to persuade a few chronics to become unchronic. So does one school of institutional treatment, which insists that alcoholism is solely the result of \\\"twisted thinking\\\" and aims at unraveling the mental quirks.\r\n\r\nBut the Alcoholics Anonymous approach--which leans on medicine, uses a few elementary principles of psychiatry and employs a strong spiritual weapon--is the only one which has done anything resembling a mop-up job. Whatever one\\\'s attitude toward A.A. may be, and a lot of people are annoyed by its sometimes ludicrous strivings and its dead-pan thumping of the sobriety tub, one can scarcely ignore its palpable results. To anyone who has ever been a drunk or who has had to endure the alcoholic cruelties of a drunk--and that would embrace a large portion of the human family--90,000 alcoholics reconverted into working citizens represent a massive dose of pure gain. In human terms, the achievements of Alcoholics Anonymous stand out as one of the few encouraging developments of a rather grim and destructive half century.\r\n\r\nDrunks are prolific of excuses for their excessive drinking, and the most frequent alibi is that no one really understands what a struggle they have. With more than 3000 A.A. groups at work in the United States, and every member a veteran of the struggle, this excuse is beginning to lose its validity, if it ever had any validity. In most cities of any size the fraternity has a telephone listed in its own name. A nickel call will bring a volunteer worker who won\\\'t talk down to a drunk, as the average nonalcoholic has a way of doing but will talk convincingly in the jargon of the drunk. The worker won\\\'t do any urging; he will describe the Alcoholics Anonymous program in abbreviated form and depart. The drunk is invited to telephone again if he is serious about wanting to become sober. Or a drunk, on his own initiative or in tow of a relative, may drop in at the A.A. office, where he will receive the same nonevangelistic treatment. In the larger cities the offices do a rushing trade, especially after week ends or legal holidays. Many small-town and village groups maintain clubrooms over the bank or feed store; in one Canadian town the A.A.\\\'s share quarters with a handbook operator, using it by night after the bookie has gone home. Some of these groups carry a standing classified advertisement in the daily or weekly newspaper. If they don\\\'t, a small amount of inquiry will disclose the meeting place of the nearest group; a local doctor, or clergyman, or policeman will know.\r\n\r\nTo some extent, the same easy availability obtains in the twenty-six foreign countries where A.A. has gained a foothold. This is especially true of the nations of the British Commonwealth, particularly Canada, Australia and New Zealand, which together list more A.A. members than the whole movement could boast nine years ago; and of the Scandinavian countries, where membership is fairly strong. At a recent A.A. banquet in Oslo, Norway, 400 members celebrated their deliverance, drinking nothing stronger than water. Throughout Scandinavia the members bolster the program by using Antibuse, the new European aversion drug. This practice is deplored by some A.A. members as showing a lack of faith in the standard A.A. program, but, of course, nothing is done, or can be done, about it, since the program is free to anyone who thinks he needs it and he may adapt it in any way that suits him.\r\n\r\nMore often than not, though, disregard of the standard admonitions backfires. A bibulous Scottish baronet found this out when, returning from London, where he caught the spark from a local group, he set out ambitiously to dry up Edinburgh, a hard-drinking town. But he tried it by remote control, so to speak, hiring a visiting American A.A. to do the heavy work. This violated the principle that the arrested drunk must do drunk-rescuing work himself in order to remain sober. Besides, the Scottish drunks wouldn\\\'t listen to a hired foreign pleader. In no time at all, and without getting a convert, the baronet and his hireling were swacked to the eyeballs and crying on each other\\\'s shoulders. After the American had gone home, the baronet stiffened up, abandoned the traditions of his class and started all over again, cruising the gutters himself, visiting drunks in their homes and in hospitals and prisons. Edinburgh is now in the win column, and there are also groups in Glasgow, Dundee, Perth and Campbeltown, all offshoots of Edinburgh.\r\n\r\nAlcoholism on a large scale seems to be most common in highly complex civilizations. These tend to breed the basic neuroses of which uncontrolled drinking is just one outward expression. A man in a more primitive setting, bound closely to earthy tasks and the constant battle with Nature, is apt to treat his frustrations by ignoring them or by working them off.\r\n\r\nAlcoholics Anonymous has nevertheless caught on in some out-of-the-way places. A liquor salesman for a British firm, who was seduced by his own merchandise, started a group in Cape Town, South Africa, which now has ninety members. There are also groups in Johannesburg, Pretoria, Bloemfontein, Durban and East London, and in Salisbury and Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia. The group at Anchorage, Alaska, which started in a blizzard, has a dozen members, including one slightly puzzled Eskimo, and there are small groups in Palmer and Ketchikan. There is a small group in the leper colony at Molokai, nurtured by A.A.\\\'s from Honolulu, who fly there occasionally and conduct meetings.\r\n\r\nThe figures perhaps give too rosy a picture of the turbulent little world of Alcoholics Anonymous. Most of the members of any standing seem to be exceptionally happy people, with more serenity of manner than most nonalcoholics are able to muster these jittery days; it is difficult to believe that they ever lived in the drunk\\\'s bewitched world. But some are still vaguely unhappy, though sober, and feel as if they were walking a tight wire. Treasurers occasionally disappear with a group\\\'s funds and wind up, boiled, in another town. After this had happened a few times, groups were advised to keep the kitty low, and the practice now is to spend any appreciable surplus on a cake-and-coffee festival or a picnic. This advice does not always work out; last year the members of a fresh and vigorous French-Canadian unit in Northern Maine, taking the advice to heart, debated so violently about how to spend their fifty-four dollars that all hands were drunk within twenty-four hours. It is difficult at first for the recruit to achieve serenity.\r\n\r\nAs most groups are mixtures of men and women, a certain number of unconventional love affairs occur. More than one group has been thrown into a maelstrom of gossip and disorder by a determined lady whose alcoholism was complicated by an aggressive romantic instinct. Such complications are no more frequent than they are at the average country club; they merely stand out more baldly, and do more harm, in an emotionally explosive society. Special A.A. groups in sixty-six prisons around the nation are constantly trickling out graduates into the civilian groups. The ex-convicts are welcomed and are, for some reason, usually models of good behavior. A sanitarium or mental-hospital background causes no more stir in an A.A. group than a string of college degrees would at the University Club; the majority of A.A.\\\'s are alumni of anywhere from one to fifty such institutions. Thus Alcoholics Anonymous is something of a Grand Hotel.\r\n\r\nThe ability of the arrested drunk to talk the active drunk\\\'s language convincingly is the one revolutionary aspect of the A.A. technique, and it does much to explain why the approach so often succeeds after others have failed. The rest of the technique is a synthesis of already existing ideas, some of which are centuries old. Once a community of language and experience has been established, it acts as a bridge over which the rest of the A.A. message can be conveyed, provided the subject is receptive.\r\n\r\nAcross the bridge and inside the active alcoholic\\\'s mind lies an exquisitely tortured microcosm, and a steady member of Alcoholics Anonymous gets a shudder every time he looks into it again. It is a rat-cage world, kept hot by an alcohol flame, and within it lives, or dances, a peculiarly touchy, defiant and grandiose personality.\r\n\r\nThere is a sage saying in A.A. that \\\"an alcoholic is just like a normal person, only more so.\\\" He is egotistical, childish, resentful and intolerant to an exaggerated degree. How he gets that way is endlessly debated, but a certain rough pattern is discernible in most cases. Many of those who ultimately become alcoholics start off as an only child, or as the youngest child in a family, or as a child with too solicitous a mother, or a father with an oversevere concept of discipline. When such a child begins getting his lumps from society, his ego begins to swell disproportionately--either from too easy triumphs or, as a compensation, from being rebuffed in his attempts to win the approval of his contemporaries.\r\n\r\nHe develops an intense power drive, a feverish struggle to gain acceptance of himself at his own evaluation. A few of the power-drive boys meet with enough frustrations to send them into problem drinking while still in college or ever while in high school. More often, on entering adult life, the prospective alcoholic is outwardly just about like anyone else his age, except that he is probably a little more cocky and aggressive, a little more hipped on the exhibitionistic charm routine, a little more plausible. He becomes a social drinker--that is, one who can stop after a few cocktails and enjoy the experience.\r\n\r\nBut at some place along the line his power drive meets up with an obstacle it cannot surmount--someone he loves refuses to love him, someone whose admiration he covets rejects him, some business or professional ambition is thwarted. Or he may encounter a whole series of rebuffs. The turning point may come quickly or it may be delayed for as long as forty or fifty years. He begins to take his drinks in gulps, and before he realizes it he is off on a reeler. He loses jobs through drunkenness, embarrasses his family and alienates his friends. His world begins to shrink. He encounters the horrors of the \\\"black-out,\\\" the dawn experience of being unable to remember what he did the night before--how many checks he wrote and how large they were, whom he insulted, where he parked his car, whether or not he ran down someone on the way home. In the alcoholic world a nice distinction is made between the \\\"black-out\\\" and the simple \\\"pass-out,\\\" the latter being the relatively innocuous act of falling asleep from taking too much liquor. He jumps nervously whenever the doorbell or telephone rings, fearing that it may be a saloonkeeper with a rubber check, or a damage-suit lawyer, or the police.\r\n\r\nHe is frustrated and fearful, but is only vaguely conscious that his will, which is strong in most crises, fails him where liquor is concerned, although this is apparent to anyone who knows him. He nurses a vision of sobriety and tries all kind of self-rationing systems, none of which works for long. The great paradox of his personality is that in the midst of his troubles, his already oversize ego tends to expand; failure goes to his head. He continues, as the old saying has it, to rage through life calling for the headwaiter. In his dreams he is likely to see himself alone on a high mountain, masterfully surveying the world below. This dream, or some variant of it, will come to him whether he is sleeping in his own bed, or in a twenty-five-dollar-a-day hotel suite, or on a park bench, or in a psychopathic ward.\r\n\r\nIf he applies to Alcoholics Anonymous for help, he has taken an important step toward arresting his drink habit; he has at least admitted that alcohol has whipped him. This in itself is an act of humility, and his life thereafter must be a continuing effort to acquire more of this ancient virtue. Should he need hospitalization, his new friends will see that he gets it, if a local hospital will take him. Understandably, many hospitals are reluctant to accept alcoholic patients, because so many of them are disorderly. With this sad fact in mind, the society has persuaded several hospitals to set up separate alcoholic corridors and is helping to supervise the patients through supplying volunteer workers.\r\n\r\n\r\nTo the satisfaction of all concerned including the hospital managements, which find the supervised corridors peaceful, more than 10,000 patients have gone through five-day rebuilding courses. The hospitals involved in this successful experiment are: St. Thomas\\\' (Catholic) in Akron, St. John\\\'s (Episcopal) in Brooklyn and Knickerbocker (nonsectarian) in Manhattan. They have set a pattern which the society would like to see adopted by the numerous hospitals which now accept alcoholics on a more restricted basis.\r\n\r\nEarly in the game the newcomer is subjected to a merciful but thorough deflating of his ego. It is brought home to him forcefully that if he continues his uncontrolled drinking--the only kind he is capable of--he will die prematurely, or go insane from brain impairment, or both. He is encouraged to apologize to persons he has injured through his drunken behavior; this is a further step in the ego-deflation process and is often as painful to the recipient of the apology as it is to the neophyte A.A. He is further instructed that unless he will acknowledge the existence of a power greater than himself and continually ask this power for help, his campaign for sobriety will probably fail. This is the much-discussed spiritual element in Alcoholics Anonymous. Most members refer to this power as God; some agnostic members prefer to call it Nature, or the Cosmic Power, or by some other label. In any case, it is the key of the A.A. program, and it must be taken not on a basis of mere acceptance or acknowledgment, but of complete surrender.\r\n\r\nThis surrender is described by a psychiatrist, Dr. Harry M. Tiebout, of Greenwich, Connecticut, as a \\\"conversion\\\" experience, \\\"a psychological event in which there is a major shift in personality manifestation.\\\" He adds:\r\n\r\n\\\"The changes which take place in the conversion process may be summed up by saying that the person who has achieved the positive frame of mind has lost his tense, aggressive, demanding, conscience-ridden self which feels isolated and at odds with the world, and has become, instead, a relaxed, natural, more realistic individual who can dwell in the world on a live-and-let-live basis.\\\"\r\n\r\nThe personality change wrought surrender is far from complete, at first. Elated by a few weeks of sobriety, the new member often enters what is known as the \\\"Chautauqua phase\\\"--he is always making speeches at business meetings on what is wrong with the society and how these defects can be remedied. Senior members let him talk himself out of this stage of behavior; if that doesn\\\'t work, he may break away and form a group of his own. If he does this, he gradually becomes a quiet veteran himself and other Chautauqua-phase boys either oust him from leadership of his own group or break away themselves and form a new group. By this and other processes of fission the movement spreads. It can stand a lot of outstanding foolishness and still grow.\r\n\r\nDrunks, as such, are too individualistic to be organized, and there is no top command in Alcoholics Anonymous to excommunicate, fine or otherwise penalize irrational behavior. However, services--such as publishing meeting bulletins, distributing literature, arranging for hospitalization, and so on--are organized in the larger centers. The local offices, which are operated and financed by the groups thereabouts, are autonomous. They are governed by representatives elected by the neighborhood groups to a rotating body called the Inter-group. There are no dues; all local expenses are met by a simple passing of the hat at group meetings.\r\n\r\nA certain body of operational traditions has grown up over the years, and charged with maintaining them--by exhortation only--is something called the Alcoholic Foundation, which has offices at 415 Lexington Avenue New York City. For a foundation it acts queerly about money; much of its time is consumed in turning down proffered donations and bequests. One tradition is that A.A. must be kept poor, as money represents power and the society prefers to avoid the temptations which power brings. As a check on the foundation itself, the list of trustees is weighted against the alcoholics by eight to seven. The nonalcoholic members are two doctors, a sociologist, a magazine editor, a newspaper editor, a penologist, an international lawyer and a retired businessman.\r\n\r\nPreserving the principle of anonymity is one of the more touchy tasks of the foundation. Members are not supposed to be anonymous among their friends or business acquaintances, but they are when appearing before the public--in print or on radio or television, for example--as members of Alcoholics Anonymous. This limited anonymity is considered important to the welfare of the movement, primarily because it encourages members to subordinate their personalities to the principles of A.A. There is also the danger that if a member becomes publicized as a salvaged alcoholic he may stage a spectacular skid and injure the prestige of the society. Actually, anonymity has been breached only a few dozen times since the movement began, which isn\\\'t a bad showing, considering the exhibitionistic nature of the average alcoholic.\r\n\r\nBy one of the many paradoxes which have characterized its growth, Alcoholics Anonymous absorbed the \\\"keep it poor\\\" principle from one of the world\\\'s wealthiest men, John D. Rockefeller, Jr. The society was formed in 1935 after a fortuitous meeting in Akron between a Wall Street broker and an Akron surgeon, both alcoholics of long standing. The broker, who was in Akron on a business mission, had kept sober for several months by jawing drunks--unsuccessfully--but his business mission had fallen through and he was aching for a drink. The surgeon, at the time they got together, was quite blotto. Together, over a period of a few weeks, they kept sober and worked out the basic A.A. technique. By 1937, when they had about fifty converts, they began thinking, as all new A.A.\\\'s will, of tremendous plans--for vast new alcoholic hospitals, squadrons of paid field workers and the literature of mercy pouring off immense presses. Being completely broke themselves, and being promoters at heart, as most alcoholics are, they set their sights on the Rockefeller jack pot.\r\n\r\nRockefeller sent an emissary to Akron to look into the phenomenon at work there, and, receiving a favorable report, granted an audience to a committee of eager-eyed alcoholics. He listened to their personal sagas of resurrection from the gutter and was deeply moved; in fact, he was ready to agree that the A.A.\\\'s had John Barleycorn by the throat. The visitors relaxed and visualized millions dropping into the till. Then the man with the big money bags punctured the vision. He said that too much money might be the ruination of any great moral movement and that he didn\\\'t want to be a party to ruining this one. However, he did make a small contribution--small for Rockefeller--to tide it over for a few years, and he got some of his friends to contribute a few thousand more. When the Rockefeller money ran out, A.A. was self-supporting, and it has remained so ever since.\r\n\r\nAlthough A.A. remains in essence what it has always been, many changes have come along in late years. For one thing, the average age of members has dropped from about forty-seven to thirty-five. The society is no longer, as it was originally, merely a haven for the \\\"last gaspers.\\\" Because of widespread publicity about alcoholism, alcoholics are discovering earlier what their trouble is.\r\n\r\nAs A.A. has achieved wider social acceptance, more women are coming in than ever before. Around the country they average 15 per cent of total membership; in New York, where social considerations never did count for much, the A.A.\\\'s are 30 per cent women. The unmarried woman alcoholic is slow to join, as she generally gets more coddling and protection from her family than a man does; she is what is known in alcoholic circles as a \\\" bedroom drinker.\\\" The married-woman alcoholic has a tougher row to hoe. The wife of an alcoholic, for temperamental and economic reasons, will ordinarily stick by her erring husband to the bitter end. The husband of an alcoholic wife, on the other hand, is usually less tolerant; a few years of suffering are enough to drive him to the divorce court, with the children in tow. Thus the divorced-woman A.A. is a special problem, and her progress in sobriety depends heavily upon on the kindliness shown her by the other A.A. women. For divorcees, and for other women who may be timid about speaking out in mixed meetings, special female auxiliary groups have been formed in some communities. They work out better than a cynic might think.\r\n\r\nAnother development is the growth of the sponsor system. A new member gets a sponsor immediately, and it is the function of the sponsor to accompany him to meetings, to see that he gets all the help he needs and to be on call at any time for emergencies. As an emergency usually amounts only to an onset of that old feeling for a bottle, it is customarily resolved by a telephone conversation, although it may involve an after-midnight trip to Ernie\\\'s gin mill, whither the neophyte has been shanghaied by a couple of unregenerate old drinking companions. As the membership of A.A. cuts through all social, occupational and economic classes, it is possible to match the sponsor with the sponsored, and this seems to speed up the arrestive process.\r\n\r\nDuring the past decade or so, the society, whose original growth was in large cities, has strongly infiltrated the grass-roots country. Its arrival in this sector was delayed largely because of the greater stigma which attaches to alcoholism in the small town. Because of this stigma and the effect it has on his business, professional or social standing, the small-town alcoholic, reveling in his delusion that nobody knows about his drinking--when actually it is the gossip of Main Street--takes frequent \\\"vacations\\\" or \\\"business trips\\\" if he can afford it. He or she--the banker, the storekeeper, the lawyer, the madam president of the garden club, sometimes even the clergyman--is actually headed for a receptive hospital or clinic in the nearest large city, where no one will recognize him.\r\n\r\nThe pattern of small-town growth begins when the questing small-towner seeks out the big-city A.A. outfit and its message catches on with him. To his surprise, he finds that half a dozen drinkers in towns near his own have also been to the fount. On returning to his home, he gets in touch with them and they form an intertown group; or there may be enough drinkers in his own town to begin a group. Though there is a stigma even to getting sober in small towns, it is less virulent than the souse stigma, and word of the movement spreads throughout the county and into adjoining counties. The churches and newspapers take it up and beat the drum for it; relatives of drunks, and doctors who find themselves unable to help their alcoholic patients, gladly unload the problem cases on A.A., and A.A. is glad to get them. The usual intrafellowship quarrel over who is going to run the thing inevitably develops and there are factional splits, but the splits help to spread the movement, too, and all the big quarrels soon become little ones, and then disappear.\r\n\r\nNowhere is Alcoholics Anonymous carried on with more enthusiasm than in Los Angeles. Unlike most localities, which try to keep separate group membership, for easier handling, Los Angeles likes the theatrical mass-meeting setting, with 1000 or more present. The Los Angeles A.A.\\\'s carry their membership as if it were a social cachet and go strongly for square dances of their own. Jewelry bearing the A.A. monogram, though frowned upon elsewhere, is popular on the Coast. After three months of certified sobriety a member receives a bronze pin, after one year he is entitled to have a ruby chip inserted in the pin and, after three years, a diamond chip. Rings bearing the A.A. letters are widely worn, as well as similarly embellished compacts, watch fobs and pocket pieces.\r\n\r\nTexas takes A.A. with enthusiasm too. In the ranch sector, members drive or fly hundreds of miles to attend A.A. square dances and barbecues, bringing their families. In metropolitan areas such as Dallas-Fort Worth--there are upwards of a dozen oil-millionaire members here--fancy club quarters have been established in old mansions and the brethren and their families rejoice, dance and drink coffee and soda pop amid expensive furnishings. One Southwestern group recently got its governor to release a life-termer from the state penitentiary for a week end, so that he could be the guest of honor of the group. \\\"We had a large open meeting,\\\" a local member wrote a friend elsewhere in the country, \\\"and many state and county officials attended in order to hear what Herman (the lifer) had to tell about A.A. within the walls. They were deeply impressed and very interested. The next night I gave a lawn party and buffet supper in Herman\\\'s honor, with about fifty A.A.\\\'s present. This was the first occasion of this kind in the state and to our knowledge the first in the United States.\\\"\r\n\r\nSome A.A.\\\'s believe that this group carried the joy business too far. Others think that each section of the country ought to manifest spirit in its own way; anyway, that is the way it usually works out. The Midwest is businesslike and serious. In the Deep South the A.A.\\\'s do a certain amount of Bible reading and hymn singing. The Northwest and the upper Pacific Coast help support their gathering places with the proceeds from slot machines. New York, a catchall for screwballs and semiscrewballs from all over, is pious about gambling, and won\\\'t have it around the place. New England is temperate in its approach, and its spirit is characterized by the remark of one Yankee who, writing a fellow A.A. about a lake cottage he had just bought, said, \\\"The serenity hangs in great gobs from the trees.\\\"\r\n\r\nThe serene mind is what A.A.\\\'s the world over are driving toward, and an epigrammatic expression of their goal is embodied in a quotation which members carry on cards in their wallets and plaster up on the walls of their meeting rooms: \\\"God grant me the serenity to accept things I cannot change, courage to change things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.\\\"\r\n\r\nOriginally thought in Alcoholics Anonymous to have been written by St. Francis of Assisi, it turned out, on recent research, to have been the work of another eminent nonalcoholic, Dr. Reinhold Niebuhr, of Union Theological Seminary. Doctor Niebuhr was amused on being told of the use to which his prayer was being put. Asked if it was original with him, he said he thought it was, but added, \\\"Of course it may have been spooking around for centuries.\\\"\r\n\r\nAlcoholics Anonymous seized upon it in 1940, after it had been used as a quotation in the New York Herald Tribune. the fellowship was late in catching up with it; and it will probably spook around a good deal longer before the rest of the world catches up with it.\r\n\r\nJack Alexander\r\n\r\nThe Saturday Evening Post\r\n\r\nApril 1, 1950\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n','icon14.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.179','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (16,13,0,'tina','Seattle AA Remembers Founder \\\'Bill W.\\\' This article appeared in the February 15, 1971',998711998,'The faces in the crowd — some showing the strain of harder times past, some bespectacled business types, others youthful — ran the gamut of the American experience.\r\nIn another perspective, they were the faces of reclaimed lives from all walks of life.\r\n\r\nSeattle\\\'s members of Alcoholics Anonymous were gathered to honor and memorialize the cofounder of their organization.\r\n\r\nBill W., whose real name was William G. Wilson, died of emphysema Jan 24 [1971] in New York. He helped to found AA in 1935 with Dr. Robert H. Smith.\r\n\r\nWilson\\\'s 15-year battle with the bottle had washed him out of a successful career as a Wall Street broker before he \\\"went sober \\\" and started a group attack on alcoholism.\r\n\r\n\\\"We know that many of us would be long dead and gone, had it not been for the founding of this organization,\\\" said one speaker at memorial services here at AA\\\'s 64-year-old meeting hall on East Pine Street.\r\n\r\nThe crowd of more than 300 heard speakers reflect on the good works of Bill., who like all members of AA, use their first and initial of the last name to maintain anonymity.\r\n\r\n\\\"Bill W. will never be gone as long as we do our job,\\\" said one man.\r\n\r\nAnother speaker commented, \\\"He is one of the gifted few who left the world in a different way than he found it.\\\"\r\n\r\nWilson, who described himself as \\\"just another guy named Bill who can\\\'t handle booze,\\\" wrote four books as a leader of AA since its founding, \\\"Alcoholics Anonymous,\\\" \\\"Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions,\\\" \\\"AA Comes of Age,\\\" and \\\"The AA Way of Life.\\\"\r\n\r\nSome read excerpts from Wilson\\\'s works at yesterday\\\'s service.\r\n\r\nThe meeting began with AA prayer and credo: \\\"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.\\\"\r\n\r\nEnlarged protraits of Wilson and Dr. Bob (Smith) flanked the stage of the second floor auditorium.\r\n\r\nHearts and streams of red leaves were hung from the balcony of the square, gothic autorium[sic] reminding its inhabitants that it was Valentine\\\'s Day.\r\n\r\nMany of the women in the audience were decorated in red for the occasion.\r\n\r\nIt was not a day of mourning.\r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.179','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (17,14,0,'christina','A A hits the World Wide Web!',998755585,'Here is an interesting question...does AA belong on the internet?  My answer is yes-absolutely.  Devine inspiration is not exclusive to a chosen few.  It is there for everyone with a desire to do the will God.  AAmeetings.org is a sign of the times.  If Bill W. and Dr. Bob were alive today, they would be on the advisory board of directors.  Over 60 years ago, they had the courage to spread a message of recovery to the suffering alcoholic. Since then, members of alcoholics anonymous have grown by the thousands-millions!  I believe that if these great men had the World Wide Web at their disposal they would have jumped at the chance...their only was to stay sober and help another alcohlic do the same...who cares about the logistics of technology?  When I need a meeting, someone to talk to, someone to listen to, or just a sense of being in the presence of other alcoholics, I need it now! Thanks to this site it is possible','icon14.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.43','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (18,15,0,'BillsFriend','Pass it on...',998757856,'Work the steps or die. Take a fifth or drink one. Surrender to live. Die to live. Give it away to keep it.\r\n\r\nThis is how I got sober.','icon14.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.44','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (19,16,0,'BillsFriend','terrible loss',1000359322,'I have cried and have felt more sorrow in the past 36 hours than I have in many years. \r\n\r\nI do not know anyone, that I am aware, killed in these attacks.. but when I see the names of those lost from the hi-jacked planes scrolling across the tv screen... I see my child on that flight, I see my brother on the 80th floor, - my hurt aches for the unnecessary loss of life that has happened and for their families.\r\n\r\nYou know, when I was in my alcoholism and addiction... wars could have broke out around me and I would not have even been aware... if I was aware, I felt numb. \r\n\r\nI am sober today - I care and my prayers our with the American families that have suffered terrible loss. \r\nMay God Bless them and keep them until then-','blank.gif','post',1,1,'198.81.17.58','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (20,16,0,'christina','re:terrible loss',1000397209,'We have been glued to the T.V. since the horrific events on Tuesday morning.  I was walking back from the front of our farm where I wait for the bus to pick up my step son.  My partner frantically urged me to hurry into the house and showed me the computer monitor, where a pic of the WTC building was smoldering at the top.  I looked at the T.V. and saw the Pentagon also in flames and colapsed.  I was in shock.  I could not believe that one of the most important monuments of our country had been violated.  As I watched the news coverage and seen the devistation in New York, I wept in disbelief.  I believe I am still in a state of denial as to the signicance of what has occurred.  From time to time I feel sorrow but I have yet to feel a real sense of anger or rage.  My most significant thought has been, how can I help?  This is a big difference from the way I thought and felt as a drunk.  My statements would have been more along the lines of hatered and anger, name calling and rage.  Thank God I am sober and in a more reasonable state of mind.  Today I choose to let those who know how to deal with these problems do their job.  I urge my fellow citizens to do what they can do to help, and avoid two wrongs....we can not overcome hatered with more fanatical hatered.  Let us deal with one another on an individual basis.  NOt every Middle Eastern person is the enemy, just like every Japanese was not during the attack on Pearl Harbor, just like not every German was not during the second world war, just like Viet Namese during the war.... ','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.183','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (21,17,0,'christina','United we stand',1000398578,'Is it any coincidence that one of the main principles of the program of AA is unity?  In past few days of derangement and distruction, we have witnessed how when people are faced with disaster, they almost automatically come together and work to overcome and solve the problem.  We sober members of AA are not unfamiliar with this concept.  As practiciing drunks we were selfish and self-centered.  NOt because we wanted to be, but because we were spiritually sick and could not.  When we get sober we reconnect with our spirituality and with humanity.  We are able to say how can I help?  What can I do to overcome and help others to overcome?  In doing so, we take insurance not only for ourselves, but for everyone who is affected.  If you are uncertain of what the principle of unity means and what its purpose is, just watch how the people of New York have come together.  Observe how Congress has come together and rallied behind the president, and put aside their petty differences.  Pay attention how other countries of the world have also reached out and committed to help overcome the insanity and terror.  Then from time to time, pause for a moment and thank God that you are part of the human race, that you are a citizen of a nation which is run by democracy, and a  sober member of AA. ','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.183','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (22,18,0,'Marilynn','Congress Retirement Benefits',1000589621,'\r\nOur Senators/Congressmen do not pay into Social Security, and, therefore\r\nthey do not collect from it. Social Security benefits were not suitable for\r\nthem.\r\n\r\nThey felt they should have a special plan. Many years ago they voted in\r\ntheir benefit plan. In more recent years, no congress person has felt the need \r\nto change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes, \r\ntheir plan works like this: When they retire no matter how long they have been \r\nin office, they continue to draw their same pay until they die, except it may\r\nbe increased from time to time by the cost-of-living adjustments.\r\n\r\nFor example, former Senator Bill Bradley (New Jersey) and his wife may be\r\nexpected to draw $7,900,000.00 over an average life span, with Mrs. \r\nBradley drawing $275,000.00 during the last year of her life. Their cost for this\r\nexcellent plan is \\\"0,\\\" nada, zilch. This little perk they voted in for\r\nthemselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. \r\n\r\nOur tax dollars at work! Social Security, which you and I pay into every payday \r\nfor our own retirement, with an equal amount matched by our employer, we can\r\nexpect to get an average of $1,000 per month.\r\n\r\nOr, we would have to collect our benefits for 68 years and 1 month to \r\nequal the Bradley\\\'s benefits. Imagine for a moment that you could structure a\r\nretirement plan so desirable, a retirement plan that worked so well, that\r\nRailroad Employees, Postal Workers, and others who were not in the plan\r\nwould clamor to be included. This is how good Social Security could be, if only\r\none small change was made. That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece\r\n\r\nRetirement Plan out from under the Senators/Congressmen. Put them into the\r\nSocial Security plan with the rest of us. Watch how fast they fix it!!!!!\r\n\r\nIf enough people receive this maybe a seed will be planted, and maybe good\r\nchanges will evolve.\r\n\r\nDon\\\'t forget, our girl, Hillary Rodham Clinton, thanks to the infinite\r\nwisdom of New York State voters, now comes under this Congressional \r\nRetirement  Plan.\r\n\r\nTalking about the Clinton\\\'s, it\\\'s common knowledge that, in order for her\r\nto establish NYS residency, they purchased a million + house in upscale\r\nChappaqua, NY. Makes sense. Now, they are entitled to Secret Service\r\nprotection for life. Still makes sense. Here is where it becomes interesting.\r\n\r\nA residency had to be built in order to house the Secret Service agents.\r\nThe Clinton\\\'s now charge the Secret Service rent for the use of said residence\r\nand that rent is just about equal to their mortgage payment, meaning that\r\nwe, the tax payers, are paying the Clinton\\\'s mortgage and it\\\'s all perfectly  legal.\r\n\r\n','icon1.gif','post',1,1,'198.81.17.188','');
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INSERT INTO post VALUES (24,20,0,'Sobergeek','Fear of financial insecurity',1000620542,'I still have that one.','icon27.gif','post',1,1,'64.12.103.177','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (25,21,0,'Sobergeek','This website',1000620763,'Whoever put together this website has done a very good job. \r\nI have to say this is probably one of the best websites on the Internet concerning Alcoholics Anonymous. Just wanted to say thanks for carrying the message on the web. \r\n\r\n','icon12.gif','post',1,1,'64.12.103.177','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (26,22,0,'Sobergeek','America\\\'s Tragedy',1000620905,'My feelings this week have been more intense than they have been since I was a child. I just cannot believe it. \r\n\r\nGod, please help us. ','blank.gif','post',1,1,'64.12.103.177','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (27,23,0,'Sobergeek','time to make those amends',1000621050,'This week has made me not want to put off the eight and ninth step much longer. \r\n\r\nLife is too fragile.','icon14.gif','post',1,1,'64.12.103.177','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (28,24,0,'Sobergeek','A letter to those responsible',1000621340,'To whom it may concern: \r\n\r\nYou think you have us? You think you have taught us \\\"something\\\"? You think you have cowed us? Obviously you have some semblance of intelligence. You put together this massive attack, with all its coordination and dedication. But did you find out first who we really are? Did you take the time to get to know us before you condemned our way of life, what we stand for? Do you think that a people that fought so hard for what we have would just buckle and fall? Crumble at your pitiful display of resolve? You must must know that the whole world stands against you. Who would dare sanction such acts? Terrorism? We are not afraid. \r\nAhhh.. but the time for questions is over. You think you have attacked America. You have attacked us all... boy, girl, man , woman. Black or white. American, Canadian, Russian, Mexican, Israeli, I could go on for days. This will not stand. I pray every night that you will take responsibility for what I can not put into words. You strove to drive us apart. You have bound us tighter then ever. MANY NATIONS under God with liberty and justice for all. I do not know you fate, but may God have mercy on your soul. \r\n','blank.gif','post',1,1,'64.12.103.177','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (29,22,0,'cwh','',1000769521,'[quote]My feelings this week have been more intense than they have been since I was a child. I just cannot believe it. \r\n\r\nGod, please help us. [/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                     im new in recovery only a couple of days so im having a problem with my own feelings right now so i dont even know how i feel about that  how sad','blank.gif','post',1,1,'24.249.214.230','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (30,22,0,'cwh','',1000769600,'[quote][quote]My feelings this week have been more intense than they have been since I was a child. I just cannot believe it. \r\n\r\nGod, please help us. [/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                     im new in recovery only a couple of days so im having a problem with my own feelings right now so i dont ev             en know how i feel about that  how sad[/quote]                                                               but thanks for reminding me that im not the only one in the world','blank.gif','post',1,1,'24.249.214.230','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (31,22,0,'cwh','',1000769754,'im not exactly sure how this board works or who gets the messages or what the hell smilies and bb are','blank.gif','post',1,1,'24.249.214.230','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (32,14,0,'cwh','',1000770486,'[quote]Here is an interesting question...does AA belong on the internet?  My answer is yes-absolutely.  Devine inspiration is not exclusive to a chosen few.  It is there for everyone with a desire to do the will God.  AAmeetings.org is a sign of the times.  If Bill W. and Dr. Bob were alive today, they would be on the advisory board of directors.  Over 60 years ago, they had the courage to spread a message of recovery to the suffering alcoholic. Since then, members of alcoholics anonymous have grown by the thousands-millions!  I believe that if these great men had the World Wide Web at their disposal they would have jumped at the chance...their only was to stay sober and help another alcohlic do the same...who cares about the logistics of technology?  When I need a meeting, someone to talk to, someone to listen to, or just a sense of being in the presence of other alcoholics, I need it now! Thanks to this site it is possible[/quote]                                                                       yes i agree with you whole heartedly however i did notice that not many members have included their email address','blank.gif','post',1,1,'24.249.214.230','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (33,22,0,'Sobergeek','re: cwh',1000787357,'The board is actually pretty cool... I have seen alot of boards... this one has tons of features... play with it, you will learn it and like it very much.\r\n\r\nSo you are new to sobriety? Welcome brother to the world of being outer the gutter and on the curb (my defintion of spirituality). The difference is huge... on the curb, you can regain self-respect, choices, trust, and freedom.\r\n\r\nIt is ok not to know how you feel right now... stay sober and you will start to thraw out. Took me awhile.. I still am thrawing out, My drinking made me very frozen.\r\n\r\nHang in there bro...','icon11.gif','post',1,1,'198.81.16.39','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (34,25,0,'Sobergeek','Getting out of bed',1000787653,'I have days lately where I do not want to get out of bed...\r\nMy mind is like a vulchar at the end of the bedpost in the morning sometimes waiting for me to open my eyes...\r\n\r\n\\\"Good morning,\\\" it says, \\\"might as well not get out of bed today... you are going to lose your job. You know that pain in your shoulder? It\\\'s cancer. You will be dying soon.\\\" Sometimes, I wish I could just make my head shut the hell up. \r\n\r\nI have learned in A.A., dont drink... go to meetings... work with others... seems to help. ','icon23.gif','post',1,1,'198.81.16.39','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (35,26,0,'tina','Need Some Advice',1000788531,'I have a sister I have not spoke to for almost 15 years... I just got her email address and was thinking about sending her an email... she can be very mean... fell kind of scared about it. Can someone please give me a recommendation?\r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.39','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (36,16,0,'Janice','',1000829912,'I don\\\'t think I have any words yet to describe how I feel inside yet.  Just a numbness, and I think that is normal or at least not a surprise to me.  I know in my early sobriety I read because a old AA timer gave it to me a book on grieving and loss, and what I remember is that there are 7 stages of grief.  And anytime we are grieving over a loss, whether it is a death of a loved one, a job, drinking, drugs or what has happened this last week we suffer and go thru these 7 stages of grief and that sometimes we can get stuck in one.  I know it helped me then because any knowledge helps us, but to know that there was a pattern to loss and that I was not alone even in my feelings it helped me and it helped me to progress to the next stage because it was easier to let go of the last and of course the finally stage is acceptance. I can not remember this week what all the stages are. I will have to research and find them, The Hospice program has a great deal of information about loss. If I remember the first stage is denial and I can\\\'t remember the 2nd, that must be where I am and I believe the rest of the world, like a foggy, not really sure where you are feeling. I will be back to write again, thanks for this opportunity, and will close today with what we in AA are taught God\\\'s Will not mine. Thank You JP','icon9.gif','post',1,1,'152.163.207.58','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (37,24,0,'Janice','',1000830438,'Yes, AA teaches us that we have to stand for our Principals and Freedom of Religion is our most precious and Life itself. We come to AA because we want to live again, and we carry the Message so that others may.  The Twelve Steps of our Program apply to all life and the Message is for all. Yes, we stand united. We are for \\\"Life\\\" and Gods Will for those who are not. ','blank.gif','post',1,1,'152.163.207.58','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (38,22,0,'cwh','',1000846664,'well im not really new i have been trying to do this off and on for 15 years sober for 7yrs then 2 yrs well you get the drift but this time im going to try to do it with aa which i have done in the past and having the computer to work with as a tool is also helpful when you cant sleep at 3:oo am know what i mean','blank.gif','post',0,1,'24.249.214.230','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (39,27,0,'tina','Freaky Thing',1000849146,'\r\n> > > Date of attack: 9/11   9+1+1=11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > Sept. 11t is the  254th day of the year:  2+5+4=11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > After Sept. 11th there are  111 days  left to the end of the year.\r\n> > >\r\n> > > 119 is the area code to Iran/Iraq: 1 + 1 + 9 = 11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > Twin Towers- standing side by side, looks like the number 11 first\r\nplane\r\n> > > to hit the towers was Flight 11.\r\n> > >\r\n> > > Coincidence..there\\\'s more....\r\n> > >\r\n> > > State of New York- 11th state added to the Union\r\n> > >\r\n> > > New york City- 11 letters\r\n> > >\r\n> > > Afghanistan- 11 letters\r\n> > >\r\n> > > The Pentagon- 11 letters\r\n> > >\r\n> > > Ramzi Yousef- 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the\r\n> > > WTC  in 1993)\r\n> > >\r\n> > > Flight 11- 92 on board- 9 + 2 = 11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > Flight 77 - 65 on board- 6 + 5 = 11\r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.17.166','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (40,25,0,'cwh','',1000855857,'GETTING OUT OF BED                                                                                                                                                                                          THANK YOU GOD FOR GETTING ME THIS THIS THIS FAR WITHOUT DRINKING. NOW ITS TIME TO GET UP','blank.gif','post',0,1,'24.249.214.230','');
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INSERT INTO post VALUES (42,26,0,'tina','Why?',1000959528,'Well, \r\n\r\nLong ago I had to make some decisions that she did not support and since that time she has hated me.','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.168','');
INSERT INTO post VALUES (43,28,0,'tina','look at this : Usamabinladen.com',1000959727,'Found this on Network Solutions (Internic Database)... notice the state is PA: \r\n\r\n\r\nInternet Domain Registrars WHOIS Server v.1.3\r\n\r\nRegistrant:Bombs R\\\' Us\r\nPO 666 Helltown, PA 66666US(PH) 666-666-6666 \r\nDomain Name: USAMABINLADEN.COM\r\nAdministrative Contact:Bin Cocksucker, Usama  (USBI6085)  usamabinladen1@hotmail.com\r\nPO 666Helltown, PA 66666US(PH) 666-666-6666 \r\nTechnical Contact:Bin Cocksuker, Usama  (USBI9099)  usamabinladen1@hotmail.com\r\nPO Box 666Helltown, PA 66666US(PH) 666-666-6666 \r\nBilling Contact:Bin Cocksucker, Usama  (USBI1913)  usamabinladen1@hotmail.com\r\n\r\nPO Box 666Helltown, PA 666\r\nUS(PH) 666-666-6666 \r\nRegistration Date:   17-Oct-2000 00:57:00\r\nExpiration Date: 17-Oct-2001 00:57:00\r\n\r\nDomain servers in listed order:\r\nNS1.GAMERTODAY.COM           63.83.254.98\r\nNS2.GAMERTODAY.COM           63.83.254.99\r\n','blank.gif','post',1,0,'198.81.16.168','');
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INSERT INTO thread VALUES (5,'Signs & Symptoms of Alcoholism',996471901,3,' signs & symptoms of alcoholism  signs & symptoms\r\nalcoholism is a chronic disease. it is often progressive fatal. it is characterized by periods of preoccupation alcohol impaired control over alcohol intake. is continued use despite adverse consequences distortion in thinking. most alcoholics deny is a problem. other signs include:\r\n\r\ndrinking alone or in secret. \r\nnot remembering conversations or commitments. \r\nmaking a ritual of having drinks before, or after dinner becoming annoyed when ritual is disturbed or questioned. \r\nlosing interest in activities hobbies used to bring pleasure. \r\nirritability as usual drinking time nears, especially if alcohol isn\\\'t available. \r\nkeeping alcohol in unlikely places at home, at work or in car. \r\ngulping drinks, ordering doubles, becoming intoxicated intentionally to feel good or drinking to feel \\\"normal.\\\" \r\nhaving problems relationships, employment or finances or legal problems.  ',' signs & symptoms of alcoholism ','  tina  ',0,'tina',996471901,'icon1.gif',0,9,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (6,'Old Preamble of Alcoholics Anonymous',996473577,3,' old preamble of alcoholics anonymous  we gathered here because we faced fact we powerless over alcohol unable to do anything about it without help of a power greater than ourselves. we feel each person\\\'s religious views, if any, his own affair. simple purpose of program of alcoholics anonymous is to show may be done to enlist aid of a power greater than ourselves regardless of individual conception of power may be. \r\nin order to form a habit of depending upon referring all we do to power, we must at first apply ourselves some diligence. by often repeating these acts, become habitual help rendered becomes natural to us. \r\n\r\nwe have all come to know as alcoholics we suffering from a serious illness medicine has no cure. condition may be result of an allergy makes us different from other people. it has never been by any treatment we familiar, permanently cured. only relief we have to offer is absolute abstinence, second meaning of a.a. \r\n\r\nthere no dues or fees. only requirement membership is a desire to stop drinking. each member squares his debt by helping others to recover. \r\n\r\nan alcoholics anonymous is an alcoholic who through application adherence to a.a. program has forsworn use of any all alcoholic beverage in any form. moment he takes so much as one drop of beer, wine, spirits or any other alcoholic beverage he automatically loses all status as a member of alcoholics anonymous. a.a. is not interested in sobering up drunks who not sincere in their desire to remain sober all time. not being reformers, we offer experience only to those who want it. \r\n\r\nwe have a way out on we can absolutely agree on we can join in harmonious action. rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed program. those who do not recover people who will not or simply cannot give themselves to simple program. now may like program or may not, fact remains, it works. it is only chance to recover. \r\n\r\nthere is a vast amount of fun in a.a. fellowship. some people might be shocked at seeming worldliness levity just underneath lies a deadly earnestness a full realization we must put first things first each of us first thing is alcoholic problem. to drink is to die. faith must work twenty-four hours a day in through us or we perish. \r\n\r\nin order to set tone meeting i ask we bow heads in a few moments of silent prayer meditation. \r\n\r\ni wish to remind whatever is said at meeting expresses own individual opinion as of today as of up to moment. we do not speak a.a. as a whole free to agree or disagree as see fit, in fact, it is suggested pay no attention to anything might not be reconciled is in a.a. big book. \r\n\r\nif don\\\'t have a big book, it\\\'s time bought one. read it, study it, live it, loan it, scatter it, learn from it it means to be an a.a. \r\n  ',' old preamble of alcoholics anonymous ','  tina  ',0,'tina',996473577,'blank.gif',0,4,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (7,'Where did the steps originate?',996473883,3,' where did steps originate?  oxford group connection\r\nthis article is an effort to put together in sequence various events took place in years from 1908 to 1935 made possible meeting in akron, ohio between aa founders, dr. bob smith bill wilson, resulted in subsequent birth of alcoholics anonymous. \r\n\r\nwhere did steps originate? in aa comes of age, (p.39), bill wrote: \r\n\r\n\\\"early aa got it\\\'s ideas of self-examination, acknowledgement of character defects, restitution harm done, working others straight from oxford groups directly from sam shoemaker, their former leader in america, nowhere else.\\\" (1) \r\nwe prepare to start history story of frank buchman, founder of oxford group. will see as we trace paths of dr. bob bill wilson in years before met, oxford group aforementioned cast of charact ers played a part in every twist turn of path led bill wilson to akron.\r\n\r\nfrank buchman oxford group\r\nwho were oxford group (2)? in 1908, a ymca secretary named frank buchman had a spiritual transformation changed his life (3). upon graduating in june of year, he started a streetside church in phi ladelphia (church of good shepherd) a donation of seventeen dollars. church flourished, he started a hospice young men spread to other cities, he started a settlement house project. frank had a violent argument h is trustee committee because cut budget food allotment. he resigned went to europe, ending up at a large religious convention in keswick, england. spiritual transformation occurred when he heard a woman speaker talk simply about cross of christ. he felt chasm separating him from christ, a feeling of a will to surrender. he went back to his house wrote these words to each of his six trustees in philadelphia: \\\"my dear friend. i have nursed ill feelings against y ou. i am sorry. will forgive me? sincerely, frank.\\\" feeling an urge to share experience, he went to nearby oxford university formed an evangelical group among student leaders athletes.\r\n\r\nlater movement spread, groups formed over next twenty years in england, scotland, holland, india, south africa, china, egypt, switzerland, north south america. many of basic things did have carried over directly into p rogram. practiced absolute surrender, guidance by holy spirit, sharing bringing about true fellowship, life changing, faith prayer. aimed absolute standards of love, purity, honesty, unselfishness, were an integral part o f first aa programs in akron cleveland new york. above all group a fellowship: \\\"a first century christian fellowship.\\\" carried message aggressively to others. met in churches, universities, homes.\r\n\r\nthe oxford group their principles were carried to united states so in both new york city akron, ohio an oxford group in place functioning when bill wilson dr. bob smith hit their respective bottoms. these two groups would befriend teach their principles to co-founders before ever met, go on to host fledgling groups of newly dry nameless drunks as came together.\r\n\r\nhere is how oxford group came to united states. one early member at oxford, ken twitchell, had attended princeton university had a brother in new york city who a mainstay in calvary episcopal church. becomes one of several am azing coincidences. in 1918 during his travels, frank buchman met a young ymca worker, sam shoemaker, in china converted him to oxford group principles. years later, sam became minister of calvary church in new york, same churc h became titular headquarters oxford group in united states. (the name changed in 1928 from \\\"a first century christian fellowship\\\" to \\\"oxford group.\\\")\r\n\r\nthe groups\\\' popularity peaked during period. were 10,000 people at one meeting at stockbridge in berkshire mountains. business teams began to have their \\\"house parties\\\" in various cities (4).\r\n\r\nin 1931 in england, a london newspaper editor, a. j. russell, attended an oxford group meeting intention of exposing group. he wrote, \\\"i came as an observer became a convert!\\\" (russell later edited \\\"god calling\\\", may have f ound it\\\'s way into material used by early aas.) some 9 years later, in 1940, richmond walker of quincy, mass. group wrote 24-hour book still used by us today. modeled after russell\\\'s \\\"god calling\\\" slanted away from all spiri tual to more of a 24-hour not drinking theme. russell\\\'s book, \\\"for sinners only\\\", described his journey from prodigal son to oxford group became a best seller in early 1930s in england united states, printed in eight languages. \r\n\r\none chapter of book devoted to calvary episcopal church in new york city it\\\'s rector, sam shoemaker. calvary church became virtual american headquarters oxford group during 1930s. it here, (in church\\\'s mission) , bill wilson\\\'s sponsor, ebby thatcher, living at time of bill\\\'s last drunk.\r\n\r\nhow message came to bill\r\nin 1932 1933, a man named rowland hazard, son of wealthy rhode island mill owners a state senator, had become a hopeless alcoholic, in his quest help had sought out world famous psychiatrist, carl jung. jung told him no h ope him there, to go home possibly find a conversion through some religious group. he did in oxford group in united states became sober. taught him certain principles he applied to his life. story is document ed in big book.\r\n\r\nin 1934, ebby thatcher, childhood friend of bill wilson\\\'s, about to be locked up as a chronic drunk in bennington, vermont. he visited by three men from an oxford group; shep cornell, rowland hazard, cebra graves. (a precursor to twelv e step work!) later sent rowland hazard back alone to see ebby. he acted as a sort of sponsor told his story. he taught ebby precepts he had learned from oxford group. later, as we know, in december of year, ebby had his chance t o relay these precepts to bill wilson. here are, transcribed from a tape of one of bill\\\'s aa talks:\r\n\r\nwe admitted we were licked. \r\nwe got honest ourselves. \r\nwe talked it over another person. \r\nwe made amends to those we had harmed. \r\nwe tried to carry message to others no thought of reward. \r\nwe prayed to whatever god we thought was. \r\n(we also have bill\\\'s handwritten copy of above.)\r\n\r\nnow we begin to see emerging pattern of events in akron in new york area in ten year period before start of aa. we see how, through machinery of oxford group key leaders, frank buchman sam shoemaker, events cons pired to make possible meeting between bob bill in akron in 1935. shep, cebra, rowland were all three oxford group members. were part of business teams were working around country in various cities. in november of 1934, ebby surrendered his life to god at calvary episcopal church mission run by sam shoemaker. (sam had met frank buchman in china in 1918, by 1934 regarded as a major leader of oxford group movement in united states hosting their headquarters.) ebby is staying at his mission. bill w. shows up drunk looking ebby, can\\\'t find him, goes to towns hospital.\r\n\r\nbill duval recalls in a letter, \\\"bill w. told us at mission he had heard ebby, on previous sunday at calvary church, had witnessed help of god he had been sober a number of months.\\\" bill said if ebby could get help here, he (bill) needed help, he could get it at mission, also. bill looked prosperous compared to usual mission customers, (actually, he wearing a brooks brother\\\'s suit purchased at a rummage sale $5.00!), so we agreed he go to towns hospital where ebby others of group could talk to him.\r\n\r\nafter his spiritual experience at towns, bill immediately made a decision to become very active in oxford group work, to try to bring other alcoholics from towns to group. he visited mission oxford group meetings hospital daily four or five months, right up to time of akron trip. no one stayed sober.\r\n\r\nbill w. oxford group work\r\n(jim newton enters scene)\r\nrowland hazard, who rescued ebby in august 1934, had a thorough indoctrination in oxford group teachings he passed many of these along to ebby bill w. soon after his release from towns hospital at end of 1934, bill rest of alco holic contingent of oxford group began gathering at stewart\\\'s cafeteria in new york following their regular meeting. shep cornell, a member of oxford group business team included rowland, sam shoemaker, hanford twitchell, also a recovering alkie. lois wilson talked of regular attendance at oxford group meetings bill, shep, ebby. james houck, a nonalcoholic oxford group member in frederick, maryland, stated bill w. went to many oxford group meetings at franc is scott key hotel in frederick always centered on alcohol. he obsessed idea of carrying message. conclusion is bill had a wide acquaintance in oxford group circles, not just confined to sam calvary house. bill told hou ck he worked on 50 drunks in first 6 months no success. calvary house sam\\\'s residence contained an oxford group bookstore. calvary mission at another location in \\\"gas house\\\" district. thousands of people passed through mission where offered lodging, free meals, oxford group meetings every night. tex francisco superintendent in 1934 when bill showed up there.\r\n\r\nnow enters man most certainly responsible fateful akron meetings between bill dr. bob. jim newton surely sole catalyst ordained oxford group would be in place in akron, ohio when bill showed up in 1935. ama zing string of circumstances plays out as follows:\r\n\r\njim, at age 20, a luggage salesman in new york who had come upon an oxford group meeting by accident (actually, he looking fun games night!) in massachusetts in 1923 when he 18 years old. he converted at party, got on his knees gave direction of his life to god at time. he met a lady named eleanor forde who greatly influenced his thinking about movement. (he eleanor were to meet marry 20 years later in 1943.) (5)\r\n\r\nseveral twists turns of fate placed jim newton in akron, ohio installed next cast of characters. these were both oxford group members regular attendees at oxford group meetings. we will be talking about intertwined relations of he nrietta seiberling, dr. walter tunks, harvey russell firestone, sam shoemaker, frank buchman, t. henry clarace williams, anne dr. bob smith.\r\n\r\njim newton went to ft. myers, florida in 1926, at age 21, to visit his father,and bought a 35 acre tract of land across road from thomas edison estate(6). jim newton became as an adopted son to mr. mrs. edison, often acted as host toastmaster at edison\\\'s famous birthday parties were attended by henry ford, harvey firestone, many world renowned business leaders public figures.\r\n\r\nhere begins another key circumstance to set stage in akron, ohio. harvey firestone, sr., offered jim a job as secretary to firestone tire rubber company in 1926, moved him to akron, ohio putting him in residence at portage country club adjacent to firestone estate(7) jim worked firestone eleven years being groomed as president of company when he resigned went full time oxford groups. firestone\\\'s clergyman rev. walter tunks. jim joined tunks\\\' church became active in raising funds their birthday committee.\r\n\r\njim had been in new york jack dempsey vs gene tunney fight. while he confessed to frank buchman his life in turmoil he about to take a \\\"geographical cure\\\". buchman sent him to meet sam shoemaker at calvary church an d he made an oxford group confession to sam led to join one of oxford group business teams.\r\n\r\nthese were groups of important men who made attempts to convert others to oxford group method of spirituality. jim frequently met aforementioned shep cornell rowland hazard. he met t. henry clarace williams, husband wife oxfo rd group members from akron members of walter tunks\\\' church. business team put on house parties in various cities at finest hotels clubs. in january of 1933, frank buchman, leading a team of thirty men women, descended on akron t he first time to give testimonials at mayflower hotel in akron churches, initiate townspeople in experiences of oxford group. here we can clearly see input from jim newton\\\'s parties firestone tunks\\\' episcopal church group to influence choice of akron as site of endeavor, rather than some other city. had jim not already been a business team member in place in akron, it is very unlikely buchman would ever have chosen small, rather unknown city as a place to pursue his evangelistic efforts. jim spokesman who introduced buchman at all affairs week in akron.\r\n\r\nnow cast of characters is nearly complete in place. still to appear on scene, however, henrietta seiberling, anne bob smith, t. henry clarace williams.\r\n\r\nwhen jim first arrived in akron he had been welcomed into firestone family, had become fast friends a son, russell (bud) firestone. bud had a very bad drinking problem had already been sent to several hospitals to no avail. jim went bud to still another drying-out place, on hudson river in new york, stayed through entire 30 day program. he took bud to an episcopal conference in denver to oxford group people had been invited. on train east again a fter party, he able to introduce bud to his old oxford group minister, sam shoemaker. alone sam, bud surrendered his life to god in a private car on train. his life changed, his family situation marriage were saved.\r\n\r\n\\\"now akron place where aa to be founded. jim newton had helped bring to city oxford group message of his alcoholic friend, bud firestone. message led to bud\\\'s \\\"miraculous\\\" recovery lasted a time. message recovery were broadcast to an interested community by a grateful father, harvey firestone, sr., by widespread press accounts.\\\"(7)\r\n\r\nclarace williams there, joined oxford group along t. henry williams, began regularly attending meetings. about same time, a lady named henrietta seiberling, wife of john seiberling of seiberling tire rubber com pany, found herself personal marital problems, separated from her husband. she turned to oxford group attended first meetings at mayflower hotel. she went a woman named anne smith, wife of a well-known akron surgeon who in deep trouble his drinking.\r\n\r\nthe progenitors now assume their roles. a kindly missionary-oriented couple, williams, had been impressed oxford group message, had a home to offer a meeting place. a gifted compassionate lady named henrietta seiberling, who had mastered some of oxford group principles, had her eye on using biblical principles to help her good friend, dr. bob smith, his drinking problem. add to mix efforts of his wife anne, who assembled books spiritual readings principles from bible, oxford group, various other christian writings, all while praying a solution to her husband\\\'s seemingly hopeless drinking problem. talented very alcoholic surgeon became focus of all these effor ts. he did a lot of spiritual reading, attended a lot of meetings, remained drunk.\r\n\r\nnow all earlier seeming coincidences converge, story merges into facts we all know from aa literature.\r\n\r\nonto scene landed \\\"rum hound\\\" from new york, moved by both bill wilson henrietta seiberling felt guidance of god. bill had recovered from his disease, determined to stay sober by seeking out helping another drunk. \\\"rum hound from new york\\\", (bill\\\'s self-description when he made fateful phone call to henrietta), \\\"just happened\\\" to bring to akron some solutions heretofore never assembled in one place delivered by just one person.\r\n\r\nsome important knowledge about disease of alcoholism accumulated through work of dr.silkworth at towns hospital in new york. \r\nan important spiritual solution to problem had been passed from dr. carl jung to rowland hazard on to bill by ebby thatcher. \r\na validation of spiritual solution by scholarly studies of professor william james. \r\na linkage between problem of alcoholism, solution god could would solve problem if a relationship were sought him by using oxford group\\\'s practical program of action, already proven by results experienc ed by rowland ebby when followed oxford group program. \r\nin akron, t. henry clarace williams henrietta seiberling were attending oxford group meetings at mayflower hotel elsewhere. dr. bob smith also attended his wife, anne. he shied away from talking about his problem publicly, con tinued drinking. in her concern bob, henrietta suggested to t. henry if could set up a smaller, more private meeting perhaps bob might feel more at ease be able to make a confession in oxford group fashion, a commitment to sobri ety. t. henry\\\'s home chosen special meeting these meetings started on a wednesday in april of 1935--just one month before bill wilson came to akron. these meetings were usually led by t. henry, henrietta, or florence main, at one of these dr. bob able to confess he a secret drinker needed help as he could not stop. very place to become home to \\\"about to begin\\\" alcoholic contingent of oxford group.\r\n\r\nwe can now see how all these characters contributed to putting dr. bob bill at a meeting in henrietta seiberling\\\'s home in gate house of firestone estate, make possible founding of alcoholics anonymous.\r\n\r\nakron - may 11, 1935\r\nwe can find no references anywhere to indicate bill wilson considered or made any conscious effort to locate an oxford group member when he made his desperation phone call in mayflower hotel in akron. henrietta seiberling wrote as follows:\r\n\r\n\\\"bill looked into cocktail room tempted thought, \\\'well, i\\\'ll just go in get drunk forget it all will be end of it!\\\' \\\"\r\n\r\ninstead, having been sober five months in oxford group, he said a prayer. he received guidance to look at a ministers\\\' directory board a strange thing happened. he put his finger on one name--tunks. rev. walter tunks harvey firestone \\\'s minister, firestone had brought buchman thirty oxford group members to akron ten days in gratitude their help his son, russell, a drunkard.\r\n\r\nout of act of gratitude of one father, whole chain started.\r\n\r\nr.r.\r\nin an attempt to pay back just a little . . .\r\nthis article written in an attempt to preserve to \\\"pass on\\\" accurate history of beginnings of aa, before sands of time obscure them completely as have a habit of doing so well.\r\n\r\nit forwarded to new york reviewed accuracy before going to press. however, if have any questions or comments, or would like permission to reprint, i would be delighted to hear from you.\r\n\r\nfeel free to call, or better yet, visit me at my home group.\r\n\r\nthe find yourself group\r\n10891 102nd av. n.\r\nseminole, fl. 34648  \r\n\r\n  ',' where did steps originate? 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INSERT INTO thread VALUES (8,'Morris Markey, \\\" Alcoholics and God,\\\" Liberty, September 1939',998710827,3,' morris markey, \\\" alcoholics god,\\\" liberty, september 1939  is hope habitual drunkards?\r\na cure borders on miraculous-and it works!\r\nfor twenty-five or thirty cents we buy a glass of fluid is pleasant to taste, contains within small measure a store of warmth good-fellowship stimulation, of release from momentary cares anxieties. would be a drink of whisky, of course-whisky, is one of nature\\\'s most generous gifts to man, at same time one of his most elusive problems. it is a problem because, like many of his greatest benefits, man does not quite know how to control it. many experiments have been made, most spectacular being queer nightmare of prohibition, left such deep scars upon morals manners of nation. millions of dollars have been spent by philanthropists crusaders to spread doctrine of temperance. in time most responsible of distillers urging us to use their wares sensibly, without excess. \r\n\r\nbut to a certain limited number of countrymen neither prohibition nor wise admonishments have any meaning, because helpless when it comes to obeying them. i speak of true alcoholics, before going any further i had best explain term means. \r\n\r\nfor a medical definition of term, i quote an eminent doctor who, has spent twenty-five years treating such people in a highly regarded private hospital: \\\"we believe . . . action of alcohol in chronic alcoholics is a manifestation of an allergy-that phenomenon of craving is limited to class never occurs in average temperate drinker. these allergic types can never safely use alcohol in any form at all.\\\" \r\n\r\nthey are, he goes on, touched physical mental quirks prevent them from controlling their own actions. suffer from some doctors call a \\\"compulsion neurosis.\\\" know liquor is bad them periodically, driven by a violent totally uncontrollable desire a drink. after first drink, deluge.\\\' \r\n\r\nnow these people genuinely sick. liquor habit them is not a vice. it is a specific illness of body mind, should be treated as such. \r\n\r\nby far most successful cure is used by hospital whose head doctor i have quoted. is nothing secret about it. it has endorsement of medical profession. it is, fundamentally, a process of dehydration: of removing harmful toxins from all parts of body faster than nature could accomplish it. within five or six days-two weeks at maximum- patient\\\'s body is utterly free from alcoholic poisons. means physical craving is completely cured, because body cries out alcohol only when alcohol is already there. patient has no feeling of revulsion toward whisky. he simply is not interested in it. he has recovered. wait. how permanent is his recovery? \r\n\r\nour doctor says this: \\\" though aggregate of full recoveries through physical psychiatric effort considerable, we doctors must admit we have made little impression upon problem as a whole. many types do not respond to psychological approach. \r\n\r\n\\\" i do not believe true alcoholism is entirely a matter of individual mental control. i have had many men who had, example, worked a period of months on some business deal to be settled on a certain date.... reasons could not afterward explain, took a drink a day or two prior to date . . . important engagement not even kept. these men were not drinking to escape. were drinking to overcome a craving beyond their mental control. \r\n\r\n\\\" classification of alcoholics is most difficult. are, of course,\\\" psychopaths who emotionally unstable.... overremorseful make many resolutions -but never a decision. \r\n\r\n\\\" is type who is unwilling to admit he cannot take a drink just like rest of boys. he does tricks his drinking- changing his brand, or drinking only after meals or changing his companions. none of helps him strengthen his control be like other people. types entirely normal in every respect except in effect alcohol has upon them . . . \r\n\r\n\\\" all these, many others, have one symptom in common: cannot start drinking without developing phenomenon of craving.... only relief we have to suggest is complete abstinence from alcohol \\\" these unfortunate people really capable, mentall, of abstaining completely? their bodies may be cured of craving. can their minds be cured? can be rid of deadly \\\" compulsion neurosis \\\"? \r\n\r\namong physicians general opinion seems to be chronic alcoholics doomed. . . \r\n\r\nbut wait! \r\n\r\nwithin last four years, evidence has appeared has startled hard-boiled medical men by proving compulsion neurosis can be entirely eliminated. perhaps one of those cynical people who will turn away when i say root of new discovery is religion. be patient a moment. about three years ago a man appeared at hospital in new york of doctor is head physician. it his third \\\"cure.\\\" since his first visit he had lost his job, his friends, his health, his self-respect. he now living on earnings of his wife. \r\n\r\nhe had tried every method he could find to cure his disease: had read all great philosophers psychologists. he had tried religion he simply could not accept it. it would not seem real personal to him. \r\n\r\nhe went through cure as usual came out of it in very low spirits. he lying in bed, emptied of vitality thought, when suddenly, a strange totally unexpected thrill went through his body mind. he called out doctor. when doctor came in, man looked up at him grinned. \r\n\r\n\\\"well, doc,\\\" he said, \\\"my troubles all over. i\\\'ve got religion.\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"why, you\\\'re last man . . .\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"sure, i know all that. i\\\'ve got it. i know i\\\'m cured of drinking business good.\\\" he talked great intensity a while said, \\\" listen, doc. i\\\'ve got to see some other patient- one is about to be dismissed.\\\" \r\n\r\nthe doctor demurred. it all sounded a trifle fanatical. finally he consented. thus born movement is now flourishing almost sensational success as alcoholics anonymous.\\\" \r\n\r\nhere is how it works: \r\n\r\nevery member of group-which is to say every person who has been saved-is under obligation to carry on work, to save other men. that, indeed, is a fundamental part of his own mental cure. he gains strength confidence by active work other victims. \r\n\r\nhe finds his subject among acquaintances, at a \\\"cure\\\" institution or perhaps by making inquiry of a preacher, a priest, or a doctor. he begins his talk his new acquaintance by telling him true nature of his disease how remote his chances permanent cure. \r\n\r\nwhen he has convinced man he is a true alcoholic must never drink again, he continues: \r\n\r\n\\\"you had better admit thing is beyond your own control. you\\\'ve tried to solve it by yourself, have failed. all right. not put whole thing into hands of somebody else?\\\" \r\n\r\neven though man might be an atheist or agnostic, he will almost always admit is some sort of force operating in world-some cosmic power weaving a design. his new friend will say: \r\n\r\n\\\"i don\\\'t care call somebody else. we call it god. whatever want to call it, had better put yourself into hands. just admit you\\\'re licked, say, `here i am, somebody else. take care of thing me.\\\'\\\" new subject will generally consent to attend one of weekly meetings of movement. \r\n\r\nhe will find twenty-five or thirty ex-drunks gathered in somebody\\\'s home a pleasant evening. no sermons. talk is gay or serious as mood strikes. new candidate cannot avoid saying to himself, \\\"these birds ex-drunks. look at them! must have something. it sounds kind of screwy, whatever it is i wish to heaven i could get it too.\\\" \r\n\r\none or another of members keeps working on him from day to day. presently miracle-but let me give an example: i sat down in a quiet room mr. b., a stockily built man of fifty a rather stern, intelligent face. \r\n\r\n\\\"i\\\'ll tell happened a year ago.\\\" he said. \\\"i completely washed up. financially i all right, because my money is in a trust fund. i a drunken bum of worst sort. my family almost crazy my incessant sprees.\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"i took cure in new york.\\\" (at hospital we have mentioned.) \\\"when i came out of it, doctor suggested i go to one of these meetings boys were holding. i just laughed. my father an atheist had taught me to be one. doctor kept saying it wouldn\\\'t do me any harm, i went.\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"i sat around listening to jabber. it didn\\\'t register me at all. i went home. next week i found myself drawn to meeting. again worked on me while i shook my head. i said, \\\'it seems o.k. you, boys, i don\\\'t even know your language. count me out.\\\'\\\" \r\n\r\n\\\"somebody said lord\\\'s prayer, meeting broke up. i walked three blocks to subway station. just as i about to go down stairs-bang!\\\" he snapped fingers hard. \\\"it happened! i don\\\'t like word miracle, that\\\'s all i can call it. lights in street seemed to flare up. my feet seemed to leave pavement. a kind of shiver went over me, i burst out crying. \r\n\r\n\\\"i went back to house where we had met, rang bell, bill let me in. we talked until two o\\\'clock in morning. i haven\\\'t touched a drop since, i\\\'ve set four other fellows on same road. \r\n\r\nthe doctor, a nonreligious man himself, at first utterly astonished at results began to appear among his patients. he put his knowledge of psychiatry psychology to work. \r\n\r\nthese men were experiencing a psychic change. their so-called \\\"compulsion neurosis\\\" being altered-transferred from liquor to something else. their psychological necessity to drink being changed to a psychological necessity to rescue their fellow victims from plight made themselves so miserable. it is not a new idea. it is a powerful effective working out of an old idea. we all know alcoholic has an urge to share his troubles. psychoanalysts use urge. say to alcoholic, in basic terms: \\\"you can\\\'t lick problem yourself. give me problem-transfer whole thing to me let me take whole responsibility.\\\" psychoanalyst, being of human clay, is not often a big enough man job. patient simply cannot generate enough confidence in him. patient can have enough confidence in god-once he has gone through mystical experience of recognizing god. upon principle alcoholic foundation rests. \r\n\r\nthe medical profession, in general, accepts principle as sound. \r\n\r\n\\\"alcoholics anonymous\\\" have consolidated their activities in an organization called alcoholic foundation. it is a nonprofit-making enterprise. nobody connected it is paid a penny. it is not a crusading movement. it condemns neither liquor nor liquor industry. whole concern is rescue of allergic alcoholics, small proportion of population who must be cured or perish. it preaches no particular religion has no dogma, no rules. every man conceives god according to his own lights. \r\n\r\ngroups have grown up in other cities. affairs of foundation managed by three members of movement four prominent business professional men, not alcoholics, who volunteered their services. \r\n\r\nthe foundation has lately published a book, called alcoholics anonymous. if alcoholism is a problem in your family or among your friends, i heartily recommend get hold of a copy. it may very well help to guide a sick man--an allergic alcoholic-- on way to health contentment. \r\n\r\n\r\nthe end\r\n  ',' morris markey, \\\" alcoholics god,\\\" liberty, september 1939 ','  tina  ',0,'tina',998710827,'icon1.gif',0,1,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (9,'A.A. STUDY GROUPS',998711029,3,' a.a. study groups  probably most beneficial thing in author\\\'s learning of recovery program (as embodied in big book thetwelve steps) were joe charlie big book seminars. did a line by line study of first 103 pages. made unclear clear. did it humor, purpose, brevity. \r\n\r\n        many have wanted to do something similar a.a.\\\'s roots, as a complement to big book study. is being done in some areas. can be a much more precise approach, one will complement big book enable spiritual growth within a.a. itself. \r\n\r\n        some intimidated by this. even joe charlie big book seminars have been subjected to comments violate traditions speak of non-conference approved literature. seminars have stood test of time, a.a.\\\'s own archivist from new york often participating. not so easy when roots have been involved, it is simply because aas don\\\'t know their own history traditions. \r\n\r\n        here some pointers: \r\n\r\n\r\nevery early a.a. meeting in akron many in new york, involved discussion of bible christian subject matter. involved use of outside literature, particularly upper room my utmost his highest. dr. bob\\\'s bible is still taken to podium at king school group meeting in akron (a.a. no. 1). \r\n\r\nthere is no tradition can, should, or does forbid discussion of a.a. history or bible or literature early a.a.\\\'s used. box 459 has an excellent article on point. article can be obtained from general services in new york or from author. \r\n\r\nlearn well words of long form of tradition three: \\\"our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. nor ought a.a. membership ever depend upon money or conformity. any two or three alcoholics gathered together sobriety may call themselves an a.a. group, provided that, as a group, have no other affiliation.\\\" \r\n\r\nlearn well precise words of long form tradition ten: \\\"no a.a. group or member should ever, in such a way as to implicate a.a., express any opinion on outside controversial issues--particularly those of politics, alcohol reform, or sectarian religion. alcoholics anonymous groups oppose no one. concerning such matters can express no views whatever.\\\" \r\n\r\nthe foregoing facts have not stopped people from objecting or trying to ban bible, early a.a. literature, discussion of foregoing at or meeting. one group removed from meeting list because it studied emmet fox\\\'s sermon on mount. did not make action correct. aas who want to learn, study, grow in roots were part parcel of their history should not be intimidated by erroneous comments, actions, or interpretations, however sincere, well-intentioned, or vociferous. thus roman catholics have been holding retreats aas decades. bill wilson often cited as an example of bible study permissible in a.a. matters traditions discuss have to do sectarian or denominational religious practices. a.a.\\\'s preamble so states. \r\n\r\nthe point of all is aas today searching ways to remain within a.a. and, at same time, learn more about language a.a.\\\'s big book, twelve steps, fellowship use. want to remain in a.a. practice eleventh step spiritual growth by learning about, studying, discussing \\\"helpful books.\\\" big book does not say, \\\"there many helpful books also\\\" [p. 87]; don\\\'t dare read or discuss them. big book does not say, \\\"suggestions about these may be obtained from one\\\'s priest, minister, or rabbi\\\" [p. 87]; don\\\'t ever mention in an a.a. meeting. big book does not say, \\\"be quick to see where religious people right. make use of have to offer\\\" [p. 87]; be sure never seen, discussed, or quoted in an a.a. meeting. \r\n\r\naas need to know at least much about their own history. reverend sam shoemaker father ed dowling, s.j., spoke to all aas convened at a.a.\\\'s twentieth convention. their remarks contained in conference approved literature (a.a. comes of age). reverend sam shoemaker right reverend monsignor john j. dougherty spoke to all aas at their next international convention, at long beach. reverend sam shoemaker wrote many articles a.a. grapevine. remarks of reverend dr. harry emerson fosdick quoted at length in a.a.\\\'s conference approved a.a. comes of age. \r\n\r\nwhatever some may think, a.a. has no index of forbidden books. a.a. has never excluded priests or sisters or ministers from meetings even when were not drunks. a.a. has studied bible in meetings years. whenever two or three aas gathered together sobriety, may, as have done years, discuss bible, discuss books have read, compare these to big book step concepts. may discuss any every facet of eleventh step big book comments about it. it may well be would catch flack if were a group of christian scientists, roman catholics, moslems, or atheists who exclude others, call themselves a christian science a.a. group, confine their approach to a moslem or roman catholic view of a.a. author has heard atheist a.a. groups, gay lesbian groups, young people\\\'s groups, so on. apparently, these affiliations have not resulted in evictions, whether would be justified or not. in short, a.a.\\\'s inclusiveness, does not mean exclude thinking or free speech. \r\n\r\nfinally, if in doubt, write to new york office as people have done years. both bill wilson a.a.\\\'s just retired archivist have fielded many a question. result not a prohibition, a sharing of a.a. experience. \r\n\r\n  ',' a.a. study groups ','  tina  ',0,'tina',998711029,'blank.gif',0,1,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (10,'A.A.\\\'s Consistent Focus on Finding God',998711128,3,' a.a.\\\'s consistent focus on finding god  first edition of a.a.\\\'s basic textbook, alcoholics anonymous \r\nfrom inception, alcoholics anonymous has focused on finding god. page 71 of first edition of big book says (as do later editions) \\\"but is one who has all power--that one is god. may find him now!\\\" even more significant, page 13 of multilith copy of big book circulated before publication said: \\\"each individual, in personal stories, describes in his own language, from his own point of view way he found or rediscovered god.\\\" page 13 of multilith also quoted \\\"the distinguished american psychologist, william james,\\\" stating his book \\\"indicates a multitude of ways in men have found god.\\\" \r\n\r\na.a.\\\'s current textbook, third edition of alcoholics anonymous \r\n\r\nthe third edition of a.a.\\\'s big book speaks, on page 116, of opening up of \\\"a path led to discovery of god.\\\" page 59 speaks of finding god. page 192 tells how a.a. number three (bill dotson) \\\"found god.\\\" page 341 tells of housewife who had found known \\\"faith in reality of god.\\\" \r\n\r\n\r\nwhat god?\r\njust who god aas were enjoined to find? their big book made over 200 specific, unqualified references to god. it made twelve references to creator. it made two references to maker. it referred to god as father (from book of james) as father of light. (see dick b., turning point, pp. 230-231, documentation). in fact, all of these words referred to god as he describes himself in bible. \r\n\r\ngod as he describes himself in bible \r\n\r\nfor creator, see ecclesiastes 12:1, isaiah 43:15, romans 1:25, 1 peter 4:19. maker, see psalm 95:6. father, see matthew 5:45. father of lights, see james 1:17. a.a.\\\'s founders (bill wilson dr. bob smith) referred to god in biblical terms as \\\"heavenly father,\\\" \\\"living god,\\\" \\\"god almighty,\\\" \\\"god, father\\\" (for a.a. biblical sources, see dick b., good book big book, pp. 50-51, bridge builders edition). \r\n\r\nthe a.a. path finding establishing a relationship with, creator \r\n\r\nfinding god, then, accomplished by using path of twelve steps to find establish a relationship creator, god. creator, almighty god, is first mentioned in genesis 1:1: \\\"in beginning god created heaven earth.\\\" \r\n\r\n\r\nbiblical roots need to find god\r\nthe idea of \\\"finding god\\\" goes far back in biblical writing. it also goes back to \\\"a first century christian fellowship\\\" known as oxford group (of a.a. an integral part at beginning) to teachings of reverend samuel m. shoemaker, jr., rector of calvary episcopal church in new york (whom bill wilson called a \\\"co-founder of a.a.\\\" a \\\"wellspring\\\" of spiritual ideas. \r\n\r\nin bible itself \r\n\r\nin is often called oldest book in bible, job cried out concerning god \\\"oh i knew where i might find him!\\\" (job 23:3). years after a.a. founded, dr. carl gustav jung explained in a letter to bill wilson solution (through conversion) aas had needed developed could be explained as follows: union god. jung sited psalm 42:1 \\\"as hart panteth after water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, o god.\\\" \r\n\r\nin first century christian fellowship of early a.a. a part \r\n\r\ndr. leslie d. weatherhead, whose books were owned by bill wilson, an early writer on oxford group. in 1933, weatherhead published his book how can i find god? (london: hodder & stoughton, ltd., 1933). it discussed such topics as (1) \\\"do we really want to find him?\\\" (2) \\\"are we hiding from him?\\\" (3) \\\"how may we find him?\\\" (4) \\\"how shall i know i have found him?\\\" bill wilson\\\'s oxford group friend bill kitchen wrote in his popular book i a pagan as follows: \\\"yet my real education did not begin till day i found god\\\" (new york: harper & brothers, 1934), p. 94. bill\\\'s spiritual teacher sam shoemaker wrote an article in calvary evangel in august of 1935, titled \\\"the way to find god.\\\" later, faith at work published shoemaker\\\'s pamphlet \\\"how to find god.\\\" shoemaker\\\'s very first oxford group book, realizing religion, concluded first chapter statement: \\\"what want is simply a vital religious experience. need to find god. need jesus christ.\\\" \r\n\r\n\r\nearly aas followed suit\r\nearly aas, then, set about path of finding god. steps took to end constituted path about big book said: \\\"rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed path.\\\" affirmation followed shortly by emphatic desire big book readers: \\\"may find him now\r\n  ',' a.a.\\\'s consistent focus on finding god ','  tina  ',0,'tina',998711128,'blank.gif',0,2,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (11,'Dr. Silkworth on Jesus Christ',998711260,3,' dr. silkworth on jesus christ  twelve step people who study a.a.\\\'s big book are, of course, familiar bill wilson\\\'s medical mentor, dr. william duncan silkworth. bill called him benign \\\"little doctor who loved drunks.\\\" silkworth, a psychiatrist, had treated thousands of alcoholics director of towns hospital in new york where bill had several times sought help. though silkworth had explained disease of alcoholism to bill, bill continued to drink until he met his \\\"sponsor\\\" ebby thacher, who had recovered through spiritual program of oxford group. ebby had also gone to calvary rescue mission, run by dr. sam shoemaker\\\'s calvary episcopal church in new york; ebby had made a decision christ. wilson went same purpose and, according to a conversation author had dr. shoemaker\\\'s widow (helen smith shoemaker), bill wilson made a decision christ at rescue mission. bill stayed drunk a few days checked into towns hospital again sought help from dr. silkworth. it during stay, bill took life-changing steps of oxford group, had his \\\"hot flash experience,\\\" reported it to dr. silkworth, told by silkworth he (bill) had better hang on to had happened to him. silkworth later asked to write \\\"doctor\\\'s opinion\\\" opens basic text of big book. silkworth\\\'s picture appears in a.a.\\\'s pass it on, biography of bill\\\'s life. \r\n\r\n        shortly before his death, author spent an hour dr. norman vincent peale, friend of a.a., rev. sam shoemaker, bill wilson. dr. peale told me of conversations he had bill wilson about bill\\\'s conversion. however, until 1997, i had never heard following account by peale about dr. william duncan silkworth. it can be found in norman vincent peale, positive power of jesus christ (new york: foundation christian living, 1980), pp. 60-61. it appears under title \\\"the wonderful story of charles k.\\\": \r\n\r\n        charles, a businessman in virginia, had become a full-fledged alcoholic; so much so he had to have help, fast, his life cracking up. he made an appointment late dr. william duncan silkworth, one of nation\\\'s greatest experts on alcoholism, who worked in a new york city hospital [the charles towns hospital]. receiving charles into his clinic as a patient, doctor gave him treatment some days, called him into his office. \\\"charles,\\\" he said, \\\"i have done everything i can you. at moment free of your trouble. is an area in your brain where may hold a reservation could, in all likelihood, cause to return to your drinking. i wish i might reach place in your consciousness, alas, i do not have skill.\\\" \r\n\r\n        \\\"but, doctor,\\\" exclaimed charles, \\\"you most skilled physician in field. when i came to it to greatest. if cannot heal me, who can possibly do so?\\\" doctor hesitated, said thoughtfully, \\\"there is another doctor who can complete healing, he is very expensive.\\\" \r\n\r\n        \\\"that\\\'s all right,\\\" cried charles, \\\"i can get money. i can pay his fees. i cannot go home until i am healed. who is doctor where is he?\\\" \r\n\r\n        \\\"oh, physician is not at all moderate as to expense,\\\" persisted dr. silkworth. \\\"he wants everything you\\\'ve got. he wants you, all of you. he gives healing. his price is your entire self.\\\" he added slowly impressively, \\\"his name is jesus christ he keeps office in new testament is available whenever need him.\\\" \r\n\r\n        dr. peale describes healing of charles through power of jesus christ. \r\n\r\n  ',' dr. silkworth on jesus christ ','  tina  ',0,'tina',998711260,'icon12.gif',0,2,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (12,'',998711871,3,'   saturday evening post\r\nthe drunkard\\\'s best friend \r\nby jack alexander\r\n\r\n\r\nwhen a farmer in aroostook county, maine announces he is going to bake a cake, he is speaking figuratively. he means is he is bored loneliness of aroostook\\\'s vast reaches, county\\\'s most famous product, potatoes, life in general; that, to relieve his boredom, he is going on a vanilla-extract bender. in order to buy liquor he might have to drive as much as a hundred miles over drifted or rutted roads, to reach a town uninhibited by local option. he tipples on vanilla, is rich in alcohol, because it is easily legally obtainable, in quantity, at nearest grocery store. grocers in local-option towns ordinarily do a thriving vanilla business alcoholically inclined agrarians, of late strange society known as alcoholics anonymous has taken root in aroostook a disturbing effect on vanilla turnover has been observed.\r\n\r\n\\\"you wouldn\\\'t believe it, ned,\\\" one storekeeper lamented to a drummer on a gray day last november, \\\" my vanilla sales is almost down to normal.\\\"\r\n\r\nthe impact of alcoholics anonymous upon a community is not always striking, it is doing quite well at self-appointed task, which, as almost everyone knows by now, is of helping confirmed drunks to quit drinking. help is provided solely by alcoholics who, through adhering to a specified program of living, have managed to arrest their own disastrous drinking habits. (a. a. members never call themselves ax-alcoholics, regardless of length of their sobriety, theory being ineradicably alcoholics by temperament, therefore always vulnerable to a relapse.)\r\n\r\nduring past few years alcoholics anonymous has extended influence overseas, one of more dedicated workers is honorable secretary of dublin group. a sandhurst graduate a veteran of twenty-six years in british army, he is still remembered in some portions of middle east his inspired work bottle. now an abstainer, he lives off his major\\\'s pension profits of a small retail business. like all faithful members of a.a., he spends much of his spare time in shepherding other lushes toward total abstinence, lest he revert to pot himself.\r\n\r\nthe honorable secretary is a man of few spoken words, he carries on a large correspondence within fraternity. his letters, notable their eloquent understatement, prized by fellow a.a.\\\'s in country passed around at meetings. one of his more fascinating communiques, received here in october, described a missionary trip to cork, in company another a.a. gentleman. purpose of trip to bring glad tidings of freedom to any corkonians who might happen to be besotted unshriven, to stimulate local group, showing small promise.\r\n\r\nthis honorable secretary\\\'s chronological report:\r\n\r\n8 p.m. chairman myself sat alone.\r\n\r\n8:05 one lady arrived, a nonalcoholic.\r\n\r\n8:15 one man arrived.\r\n\r\n8:20 a county cork member arrived to say he couldn\\\'t stay, as his children had just developed measles.\r\n\r\n8:25 lone lady departed.\r\n\r\n8:30 two more men arrived.\r\n\r\n8:40 one more man arrived, i decided to make a start.\r\n\r\n8:45 first man arrival stated he had to go out have a drink.\r\n\r\n8:50 he came back.\r\n\r\n8:55 three more arrived.\r\n\r\n9:10 another lady, propped up by a companion, arrived, gazed glassily around, collected some literature departed unsteadily.\r\n\r\n9:30 chairman i had finished speaking.\r\n\r\n9:45 we reluctantly said good night to new members, who seemed very interested.\r\n\r\nin summing up, secretary said: \\\"a night of horror at first, developing quite well. i think have good prospects, once thing is launched.\\\"\r\n\r\nto a skeptic, honorable secretary\\\'s happy prognosis in face of initial discouragement may sound foolishly hopeful. to those already within fraternity familiar sluggardly chaotic character of a.a. iocal-group growth in early stages, he merely voicing justifiable optimism. some years after inception, in 1935, alcoholics anonymous movement itself made slow progress. as work of salvaging other drunks is essential to maintaining sobriety of already-salvaged brethren, earnest handful of early salvagees spent some worrisome months. hundreds of thousands of topers were prowling about in full alcoholic cry, few would pause long enough to listen.\r\n\r\nsix years after it all began, when magazine first examined small encouraging phenomenon (post, march 1, 1941), band could count 2000 members, by scraping hard, some of these were still giving off residual fumes. in nine years have intervened since report, small phenomenon has become a relatively large one. today listed membership exceeds 90,000. just how many of these have substantial sobriety records is a matter of conjecture, as movement, has no control at top is constantly ridden by maverick tendencies, operates in a four-alarm-fire atmosphere, no one has time to check up. a reasonable guess would be about two thirds have been sober anywhere from six months to fifteen years, rest have stretched out their periods of sobriety between twisters to point where at least able to keep their jobs.\r\n\r\nthe intake of shaky-fingered newcomers, now at highest in a.a. history, is running at rate of around 20,000 a year. number will stick is, again, a matter of conjecture. if experience repeats, according to a.a. old-timers, about one half will stay sober from start, one fourth will achieve sobriety after a few skids; other one fourth will remain problem drinkers. a problem drinker, by definition, is one who takes a drink some compulsive reason he cannot identify and, having taken it, is unable to stop until he is drunk acting like a lunatic.\r\n\r\nhow many of four million will join?\r\n\r\nit is tempting to become oversanguine about success of alcoholics anonymous to date. ninety thousand persons, roaring drunk or roaring sober, a drop in human puddle, represent only a generous dip out of human alcoholic puddle. according to varying estimates, between 750,000 1,000,000 problem drinkers still on loose in united states alone. their numbers will inevitably be swelled in future years by recruits from ranks of between 3,000,000 4,000,000 americans who, by medical standards, drink too much their own good. some of these millions will taper off or quit when reach age at miseries of a hang-over seem too great a price to pay an evening of artificially induced elation; some will slosh over into compulsive-drinker class.\r\n\r\nthe origins of alcoholism, is now being widely treated as a major public-health problem, as mysterious as those of cancer. perhaps even harder to pin down, because involve psychic as well as physical elements. currently, physical aspect is being investigated by universities hospitals, by publicly privately financed foundations. some large business industrial firms, concerned about reduced productivity absenteeism, providing medical psychiatric aid to alcoholic employees. firms\\\' physicians also digging into alcoholic puzzle. most plausible tentative explanation any of these investigative efforts has come up is alcoholism is a sickness resembling caused by various allergies.\r\n\r\npsychiatry has own approach to problem; it is successful in only a small percentage of cases. clergymen, using a spiritual appeal, beset relatives of alcoholics, using everything from moral suasion to a simple bat in jaw, manage to persuade a few chronics to become unchronic. so does one school of institutional treatment, insists alcoholism is solely result of \\\"twisted thinking\\\" aims at unraveling mental quirks.\r\n\r\nbut alcoholics anonymous approach--which leans on medicine, uses a few elementary principles of psychiatry employs a strong spiritual weapon--is only one has done anything resembling a mop-up job. whatever one\\\'s attitude toward a.a. may be, a lot of people annoyed by sometimes ludicrous strivings dead-pan thumping of sobriety tub, one can scarcely ignore palpable results. to anyone who has ever been a drunk or who has had to endure alcoholic cruelties of a drunk--and would embrace a large portion of human family--90,000 alcoholics reconverted into working citizens represent a massive dose of pure gain. in human terms, achievements of alcoholics anonymous stand out as one of few encouraging developments of a rather grim destructive half century.\r\n\r\ndrunks prolific of excuses their excessive drinking, most frequent alibi is no one really understands a struggle have. more than 3000 a.a. groups at work in united states, every member a veteran of struggle, excuse is beginning to lose validity, if it ever had any validity. in most cities of any size fraternity has a telephone listed in own name. a nickel call will bring a volunteer worker who won\\\'t talk down to a drunk, as average nonalcoholic has a way of doing will talk convincingly in jargon of drunk. worker won\\\'t do any urging; he will describe alcoholics anonymous program in abbreviated form depart. drunk is invited to telephone again if he is serious about wanting to become sober. or a drunk, on his own initiative or in tow of a relative, may drop in at a.a. office, where he will receive same nonevangelistic treatment. in larger cities offices do a rushing trade, especially after week ends or legal holidays. many small-town village groups maintain clubrooms over bank or feed store; in one canadian town a.a.\\\'s share quarters a handbook operator, using it by night after bookie has gone home. some of these groups carry a standing classified advertisement in daily or weekly newspaper. if don\\\'t, a small amount of inquiry will disclose meeting place of nearest group; a local doctor, or clergyman, or policeman will know.\r\n\r\nto some extent, same easy availability obtains in twenty-six foreign countries where a.a. has gained a foothold. is especially true of nations of british commonwealth, particularly canada, australia new zealand, together list more a.a. members than whole movement could boast nine years ago; of scandinavian countries, where membership is fairly strong. at a recent a.a. banquet in oslo, norway, 400 members celebrated their deliverance, drinking nothing stronger than water. throughout scandinavia members bolster program by using antibuse, new european aversion drug. practice is deplored by some a.a. members as showing a lack of faith in standard a.a. program, but, of course, nothing is done, or can be done, about it, since program is free to anyone who thinks he needs it he may adapt it in any way suits him.\r\n\r\nmore often than not, though, disregard of standard admonitions backfires. a bibulous scottish baronet found out when, returning from london, where he caught spark from a local group, he set out ambitiously to dry up edinburgh, a hard-drinking town. he tried it by remote control, so to speak, hiring a visiting american a.a. to do heavy work. violated principle arrested drunk must do drunk-rescuing work himself in order to remain sober. besides, scottish drunks wouldn\\\'t listen to a hired foreign pleader. in no time at all, without getting a convert, baronet his hireling were swacked to eyeballs crying on each other\\\'s shoulders. after american had gone home, baronet stiffened up, abandoned traditions of his class started all over again, cruising gutters himself, visiting drunks in their homes in hospitals prisons. edinburgh is now in win column, also groups in glasgow, dundee, perth campbeltown, all offshoots of edinburgh.\r\n\r\nalcoholism on a large scale seems to be most common in highly complex civilizations. these tend to breed basic neuroses of uncontrolled drinking is just one outward expression. a man in a more primitive setting, bound closely to earthy tasks constant battle nature, is apt to treat his frustrations by ignoring them or by working them off.\r\n\r\nalcoholics anonymous has nevertheless caught on in some out-of-the-way places. a liquor salesman a british firm, who seduced by his own merchandise, started a group in cape town, south africa, now has ninety members. also groups in johannesburg, pretoria, bloemfontein, durban east london, in salisbury bulawayo, southern rhodesia. group at anchorage, alaska, started in a blizzard, has a dozen members, including one slightly puzzled eskimo, small groups in palmer ketchikan. is a small group in leper colony at molokai, nurtured by a.a.\\\'s from honolulu, who fly occasionally conduct meetings.\r\n\r\nthe figures perhaps give too rosy a picture of turbulent little world of alcoholics anonymous. most of members of any standing seem to be exceptionally happy people, more serenity of manner than most nonalcoholics able to muster these jittery days; it is difficult to believe ever lived in drunk\\\'s bewitched world. some still vaguely unhappy, though sober, feel as if were walking a tight wire. treasurers occasionally disappear a group\\\'s funds wind up, boiled, in another town. after had happened a few times, groups were advised to keep kitty low, practice now is to spend any appreciable surplus on a cake-and-coffee festival or a picnic. advice does not always work out; last year members of a fresh vigorous french-canadian unit in northern maine, taking advice to heart, debated so violently about how to spend their fifty-four dollars all hands were drunk within twenty-four hours. it is difficult at first recruit to achieve serenity.\r\n\r\nas most groups mixtures of men women, a certain number of unconventional love affairs occur. more than one group has been thrown into a maelstrom of gossip disorder by a determined lady whose alcoholism complicated by an aggressive romantic instinct. such complications no more frequent than at average country club; merely stand out more baldly, do more harm, in an emotionally explosive society. special a.a. groups in sixty-six prisons around nation constantly trickling out graduates into civilian groups. ex-convicts welcomed are, some reason, usually models of good behavior. a sanitarium or mental-hospital background causes no more stir in an a.a. group than a string of college degrees would at university club; majority of a.a.\\\'s alumni of anywhere from one to fifty such institutions. thus alcoholics anonymous is something of a grand hotel.\r\n\r\nthe ability of arrested drunk to talk active drunk\\\'s language convincingly is one revolutionary aspect of a.a. technique, it does much to explain approach so often succeeds after others have failed. rest of technique is a synthesis of already existing ideas, some of centuries old. once a community of language experience has been established, it acts as a bridge over rest of a.a. message can be conveyed, provided subject is receptive.\r\n\r\nacross bridge inside active alcoholic\\\'s mind lies an exquisitely tortured microcosm, a steady member of alcoholics anonymous gets a shudder every time he looks into it again. it is a rat-cage world, kept hot by an alcohol flame, within it lives, or dances, a peculiarly touchy, defiant grandiose personality.\r\n\r\nthere is a sage saying in a.a. \\\"an alcoholic is just like a normal person, only more so.\\\" he is egotistical, childish, resentful intolerant to an exaggerated degree. how he gets way is endlessly debated, a certain rough pattern is discernible in most cases. many of those who ultimately become alcoholics start off as an only child, or as youngest child in a family, or as a child too solicitous a mother, or a father an oversevere concept of discipline. when such a child begins getting his lumps from society, his ego begins to swell disproportionately--either from too easy triumphs or, as a compensation, from being rebuffed in his attempts to win approval of his contemporaries.\r\n\r\nhe develops an intense power drive, a feverish struggle to gain acceptance of himself at his own evaluation. a few of power-drive boys meet enough frustrations to send them into problem drinking while still in college or ever while in high school. more often, on entering adult life, prospective alcoholic is outwardly just about like anyone else his age, except he is probably a little more cocky aggressive, a little more hipped on exhibitionistic charm routine, a little more plausible. he becomes a social drinker--that is, one who can stop after a few cocktails enjoy experience.\r\n\r\nbut at some place along line his power drive meets up an obstacle it cannot surmount--someone he loves refuses to love him, someone whose admiration he covets rejects him, some business or professional ambition is thwarted. or he may encounter a whole series of rebuffs. turning point may come quickly or it may be delayed as long as forty or fifty years. he begins to take his drinks in gulps, before he realizes it he is off on a reeler. he loses jobs through drunkenness, embarrasses his family alienates his friends. his world begins to shrink. he encounters horrors of \\\"black-out,\\\" dawn experience of being unable to remember he did night before--how many checks he wrote how large were, whom he insulted, where he parked his car, whether or not he ran down someone on way home. in alcoholic world a nice distinction is made between \\\"black-out\\\" simple \\\"pass-out,\\\" latter being relatively innocuous act of falling asleep from taking too much liquor. he jumps nervously whenever doorbell or telephone rings, fearing it may be a saloonkeeper a rubber check, or a damage-suit lawyer, or police.\r\n\r\nhe is frustrated fearful, is only vaguely conscious his will, is strong in most crises, fails him where liquor is concerned, although is apparent to anyone who knows him. he nurses a vision of sobriety tries all kind of self-rationing systems, none of works long. great paradox of his personality is in midst of his troubles, his already oversize ego tends to expand; failure goes to his head. he continues, as old saying has it, to rage through life calling headwaiter. in his dreams he is likely to see himself alone on a high mountain, masterfully surveying world below. dream, or some variant of it, will come to him whether he is sleeping in his own bed, or in a twenty-five-dollar-a-day hotel suite, or on a park bench, or in a psychopathic ward.\r\n\r\nif he applies to alcoholics anonymous help, he has taken an important step toward arresting his drink habit; he has at least admitted alcohol has whipped him. in itself is an act of humility, his life thereafter must be a continuing effort to acquire more of ancient virtue. should he need hospitalization, his new friends will see he gets it, if a local hospital will take him. understandably, many hospitals reluctant to accept alcoholic patients, because so many of them disorderly. sad fact in mind, society has persuaded several hospitals to set up separate alcoholic corridors is helping to supervise patients through supplying volunteer workers.\r\n\r\n\r\nto satisfaction of all concerned including hospital managements, find supervised corridors peaceful, more than 10,000 patients have gone through five-day rebuilding courses. hospitals involved in successful experiment are: st. thomas\\\' (catholic) in akron, st. john\\\'s (episcopal) in brooklyn knickerbocker (nonsectarian) in manhattan. have set a pattern society would like to see adopted by numerous hospitals now accept alcoholics on a more restricted basis.\r\n\r\nearly in game newcomer is subjected to a merciful thorough deflating of his ego. it is brought home to him forcefully if he continues his uncontrolled drinking--the only kind he is capable of--he will die prematurely, or go insane from brain impairment, or both. he is encouraged to apologize to persons he has injured through his drunken behavior; is a further step in ego-deflation process is often as painful to recipient of apology as it is to neophyte a.a. he is further instructed unless he will acknowledge existence of a power greater than himself continually ask power help, his campaign sobriety will probably fail. is much-discussed spiritual element in alcoholics anonymous. most members refer to power as god; some agnostic members prefer to call it nature, or cosmic power, or by some other label. in any case, it is key of a.a. program, it must be taken not on a basis of mere acceptance or acknowledgment, of complete surrender.\r\n\r\nthis surrender is described by a psychiatrist, dr. harry m. tiebout, of greenwich, connecticut, as a \\\"conversion\\\" experience, \\\"a psychological event in is a major shift in personality manifestation.\\\" he adds:\r\n\r\n\\\"the changes take place in conversion process may be summed up by saying person who has achieved positive frame of mind has lost his tense, aggressive, demanding, conscience-ridden self feels isolated at odds world, has become, instead, a relaxed, natural, more realistic individual who can dwell in world on a live-and-let-live basis.\\\"\r\n\r\nthe personality change wrought surrender is far from complete, at first. elated by a few weeks of sobriety, new member often enters is known as \\\"chautauqua phase\\\"--he is always making speeches at business meetings on is wrong society how these defects can be remedied. senior members let him talk himself out of stage of behavior; if doesn\\\'t work, he may break away form a group of his own. if he does this, he gradually becomes a quiet veteran himself other chautauqua-phase boys either oust him from leadership of his own group or break away themselves form a new group. by other processes of fission movement spreads. it can stand a lot of outstanding foolishness still grow.\r\n\r\ndrunks, as such, too individualistic to be organized, is no top command in alcoholics anonymous to excommunicate, fine or otherwise penalize irrational behavior. however, services--such as publishing meeting bulletins, distributing literature, arranging hospitalization, so on--are organized in larger centers. local offices, operated financed by groups thereabouts, autonomous. governed by representatives elected by neighborhood groups to a rotating body called inter-group. no dues; all local expenses met by a simple passing of hat at group meetings.\r\n\r\na certain body of operational traditions has grown up over years, charged maintaining them--by exhortation only--is something called alcoholic foundation, has offices at 415 lexington avenue new york city. a foundation it acts queerly about money; much of time is consumed in turning down proffered donations bequests. one tradition is a.a. must be kept poor, as money represents power society prefers to avoid temptations power brings. as a check on foundation itself, list of trustees is weighted against alcoholics by eight to seven. nonalcoholic members two doctors, a sociologist, a magazine editor, a newspaper editor, a penologist, an international lawyer a retired businessman.\r\n\r\npreserving principle of anonymity is one of more touchy tasks of foundation. members not supposed to be anonymous among their friends or business acquaintances, when appearing before public--in print or on radio or television, example--as members of alcoholics anonymous. limited anonymity is considered important to welfare of movement, primarily because it encourages members to subordinate their personalities to principles of a.a. is also danger if a member becomes publicized as a salvaged alcoholic he may stage a spectacular skid injure prestige of society. actually, anonymity has been breached only a few dozen times since movement began, isn\\\'t a bad showing, considering exhibitionistic nature of average alcoholic.\r\n\r\nby one of many paradoxes have characterized growth, alcoholics anonymous absorbed \\\"keep it poor\\\" principle from one of world\\\'s wealthiest men, john d. rockefeller, jr. society formed in 1935 after a fortuitous meeting in akron between a wall street broker an akron surgeon, both alcoholics of long standing. broker, who in akron on a business mission, had kept sober several months by jawing drunks--unsuccessfully--but his business mission had fallen through he aching a drink. surgeon, at time got together, quite blotto. together, over a period of a few weeks, kept sober worked out basic a.a. technique. by 1937, when had about fifty converts, began thinking, as all new a.a.\\\'s will, of tremendous plans--for vast new alcoholic hospitals, squadrons of paid field workers literature of mercy pouring off immense presses. being completely broke themselves, being promoters at heart, as most alcoholics are, set their sights on rockefeller jack pot.\r\n\r\nrockefeller sent an emissary to akron to look into phenomenon at work there, and, receiving a favorable report, granted an audience to a committee of eager-eyed alcoholics. he listened to their personal sagas of resurrection from gutter deeply moved; in fact, he ready to agree a.a.\\\'s had john barleycorn by throat. visitors relaxed visualized millions dropping into till. man big money bags punctured vision. he said too much money might be ruination of any great moral movement he didn\\\'t want to be a party to ruining one. however, he did make a small contribution--small rockefeller--to tide it over a few years, he got some of his friends to contribute a few thousand more. when rockefeller money ran out, a.a. self-supporting, it has remained so ever since.\r\n\r\nalthough a.a. remains in essence it has always been, many changes have come along in late years. one thing, average age of members has dropped from about forty-seven to thirty-five. society is no longer, as it originally, merely a haven \\\"last gaspers.\\\" because of widespread publicity about alcoholism, alcoholics discovering earlier their trouble is.\r\n\r\nas a.a. has achieved wider social acceptance, more women coming in than ever before. around country average 15 per cent of total membership; in new york, where social considerations never did count much, a.a.\\\'s 30 per cent women. unmarried woman alcoholic is slow to join, as she generally gets more coddling protection from her family than a man does; she is is known in alcoholic circles as a \\\" bedroom drinker.\\\" married-woman alcoholic has a tougher row to hoe. wife of an alcoholic, temperamental economic reasons, will ordinarily stick by her erring husband to bitter end. husband of an alcoholic wife, on other hand, is usually less tolerant; a few years of suffering enough to drive him to divorce court, children in tow. thus divorced-woman a.a. is a special problem, her progress in sobriety depends heavily upon on kindliness shown her by other a.a. women. divorcees, other women who may be timid about speaking out in mixed meetings, special female auxiliary groups have been formed in some communities. work out better than a cynic might think.\r\n\r\nanother development is growth of sponsor system. a new member gets a sponsor immediately, it is function of sponsor to accompany him to meetings, to see he gets all help he needs to be on call at any time emergencies. as an emergency usually amounts only to an onset of old feeling a bottle, it is customarily resolved by a telephone conversation, although it may involve an after-midnight trip to ernie\\\'s gin mill, whither neophyte has been shanghaied by a couple of unregenerate old drinking companions. as membership of a.a. cuts through all social, occupational economic classes, it is possible to match sponsor sponsored, seems to speed up arrestive process.\r\n\r\nduring past decade or so, society, whose original growth in large cities, has strongly infiltrated grass-roots country. arrival in sector delayed largely because of greater stigma attaches to alcoholism in small town. because of stigma effect it has on his business, professional or social standing, small-town alcoholic, reveling in his delusion nobody knows about his drinking--when actually it is gossip of main street--takes frequent \\\"vacations\\\" or \\\"business trips\\\" if he can afford it. he or she--the banker, storekeeper, lawyer, madam president of garden club, sometimes even clergyman--is actually headed a receptive hospital or clinic in nearest large city, where no one will recognize him.\r\n\r\nthe pattern of small-town growth begins when questing small-towner seeks out big-city a.a. outfit message catches on him. to his surprise, he finds half a dozen drinkers in towns near his own have also been to fount. on returning to his home, he gets in touch them form an intertown group; or may be enough drinkers in his own town to begin a group. though is a stigma even to getting sober in small towns, it is less virulent than souse stigma, word of movement spreads throughout county into adjoining counties. churches newspapers take it up beat drum it; relatives of drunks, doctors who find themselves unable to help their alcoholic patients, gladly unload problem cases on a.a., a.a. is glad to get them. usual intrafellowship quarrel over who is going to run thing inevitably develops factional splits, splits help to spread movement, too, all big quarrels soon become little ones, disappear.\r\n\r\nnowhere is alcoholics anonymous carried on more enthusiasm than in los angeles. unlike most localities, try to keep separate group membership, easier handling, los angeles likes theatrical mass-meeting setting, 1000 or more present. los angeles a.a.\\\'s carry their membership as if it were a social cachet go strongly square dances of their own. jewelry bearing a.a. monogram, though frowned upon elsewhere, is popular on coast. after three months of certified sobriety a member receives a bronze pin, after one year he is entitled to have a ruby chip inserted in pin and, after three years, a diamond chip. rings bearing a.a. letters widely worn, as well as similarly embellished compacts, watch fobs pocket pieces.\r\n\r\ntexas takes a.a. enthusiasm too. in ranch sector, members drive or fly hundreds of miles to attend a.a. square dances barbecues, bringing their families. in metropolitan areas such as dallas-fort worth--there upwards of a dozen oil-millionaire members here--fancy club quarters have been established in old mansions brethren their families rejoice, dance drink coffee soda pop amid expensive furnishings. one southwestern group recently got governor to release a life-termer from state penitentiary a week end, so he could be guest of honor of group. \\\"we had a large open meeting,\\\" a local member wrote a friend elsewhere in country, \\\"and many state county officials attended in order to hear herman (the lifer) had to tell about a.a. within walls. were deeply impressed very interested. next night i gave a lawn party buffet supper in herman\\\'s honor, about fifty a.a.\\\'s present. first occasion of kind in state to knowledge first in united states.\\\"\r\n\r\nsome a.a.\\\'s believe group carried joy business too far. others think each section of country ought to manifest spirit in own way; anyway, is way it usually works out. midwest is businesslike serious. in deep south a.a.\\\'s do a certain amount of bible reading hymn singing. northwest upper pacific coast help support their gathering places proceeds from slot machines. new york, a catchall screwballs semiscrewballs from all over, is pious about gambling, won\\\'t have it around place. new england is temperate in approach, spirit is characterized by remark of one yankee who, writing a fellow a.a. about a lake cottage he had just bought, said, \\\"the serenity hangs in great gobs from trees.\\\"\r\n\r\nthe serene mind is a.a.\\\'s world over driving toward, an epigrammatic expression of their goal is embodied in a quotation members carry on cards in their wallets plaster up on walls of their meeting rooms: \\\"god grant me serenity to accept things i cannot change, courage to change things i can, wisdom to know difference.\\\"\r\n\r\noriginally thought in alcoholics anonymous to have been written by st. francis of assisi, it turned out, on recent research, to have been work of another eminent nonalcoholic, dr. reinhold niebuhr, of union theological seminary. doctor niebuhr amused on being told of use to his prayer being put. asked if it original him, he said he thought it was, added, \\\"of course it may have been spooking around centuries.\\\"\r\n\r\nalcoholics anonymous seized upon it in 1940, after it had been used as a quotation in new york herald tribune. fellowship late in catching up it; it will probably spook around a good deal longer before rest of world catches up it.\r\n\r\njack alexander\r\n\r\nthe saturday evening post\r\n\r\napril 1, 1950\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n  ','  ','  tina  ',0,'tina',998711871,'icon14.gif',0,0,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (13,'Seattle AA Remembers Founder \\\'Bill W.\\\' This article appeared in the February 15, 1971',998711998,3,' seattle aa remembers founder \\\'bill w.\\\' article appeared in february 15, 1971  faces in crowd — some showing strain of harder times past, some bespectacled business types, others youthful — ran gamut of american experience.\r\nin another perspective, were faces of reclaimed lives from all walks of life.\r\n\r\nseattle\\\'s members of alcoholics anonymous were gathered to honor memorialize cofounder of their organization.\r\n\r\nbill w., whose real name william g. wilson, died of emphysema jan 24 [1971] in new york. he helped to found aa in 1935 dr. robert h. smith.\r\n\r\nwilson\\\'s 15-year battle bottle had washed him out of a successful career as a wall street broker before he \\\"went sober \\\" started a group attack on alcoholism.\r\n\r\n\\\"we know many of us would be long dead gone, had it not been founding of organization,\\\" said one speaker at memorial services here at aa\\\'s 64-year-old meeting hall on east pine street.\r\n\r\nthe crowd of more than 300 heard speakers reflect on good works of bill., who like all members of aa, use their first initial of last name to maintain anonymity.\r\n\r\n\\\"bill w. will never be gone as long as we do job,\\\" said one man.\r\n\r\nanother speaker commented, \\\"he is one of gifted few who left world in a different way than he found it.\\\"\r\n\r\nwilson, who described himself as \\\"just another guy named bill who can\\\'t handle booze,\\\" wrote four books as a leader of aa since founding, \\\"alcoholics anonymous,\\\" \\\"twelve steps twelve traditions,\\\" \\\"aa comes of age,\\\" \\\"the aa way of life.\\\"\r\n\r\nsome read excerpts from wilson\\\'s works at yesterday\\\'s service.\r\n\r\nthe meeting began aa prayer credo: \\\"god grant me serenity to accept things i cannot change, courage to change things i can, wisdom to know difference.\\\"\r\n\r\nenlarged protraits of wilson dr. bob (smith) flanked stage of second floor auditorium.\r\n\r\nhearts streams of red leaves were hung from balcony of square, gothic autorium[sic] reminding inhabitants it valentine\\\'s day.\r\n\r\nmany of women in audience were decorated in red occasion.\r\n\r\nit not a day of mourning.\r\n  ',' seattle aa remembers founder \\\'bill w.\\\' article appeared in february 15, 1971 ','  tina  ',0,'tina',998711998,'blank.gif',0,1,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (14,'A A hits the World Wide Web!',1000770486,2,' a a hits world wide web!  here is an interesting question...does aa belong on internet?  my answer is yes-absolutely.  devine inspiration is not exclusive to a chosen few.  it is everyone a desire to do will god.  aameetings.org is a sign of times.  if bill w. dr. bob were alive today, would be on advisory board of directors.  over 60 years ago, had courage to spread a message of recovery to suffering alcoholic. since then, members of alcoholics anonymous have grown by thousands-millions!  i believe if these great men had world wide web at their disposal would have jumped at chance...their only to stay sober help another alcohlic do same...who cares about logistics of technology?  when i need a meeting, someone to talk to, someone to listen to, or just a sense of being in presence of other alcoholics, i need it now! thanks to site it is possible  [quote]here is an interesting question...does aa belong on internet?  my answer is yes-absolutely.  devine inspiration is not exclusive to a chosen few.  it is everyone a desire to do will god.  aameetings.org is a sign of times.  if bill w. dr. bob were alive today, would be on advisory board of directors.  over 60 years ago, had courage to spread a message of recovery to suffering alcoholic. since then, members of alcoholics anonymous have grown by thousands-millions!  i believe if these great men had world wide web at their disposal would have jumped at chance...their only to stay sober help another alcohlic do same...who cares about logistics of technology?  when i need a meeting, someone to talk to, someone to listen to, or just a sense of being in presence of other alcoholics, i need it now! thanks to site it is possible[/quote]                                                                       yes i agree whole heartedly however i did notice not many members have included their email address  ',' a a hits world wide web! ','  christina  cwh  ',1,'christina',998755585,'icon14.gif',0,8,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (15,'Pass it on...',998757856,4,' pass it on...  work steps or die. take a fifth or drink one. surrender to live. die to live. give it away to keep it.\r\n\r\nthis is how i got sober.  ',' pass it on... ','  billsfriend  ',0,'BillsFriend',998757856,'icon14.gif',0,1,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (16,'terrible loss',1000829912,15,' terrible loss  i have cried have felt more sorrow in past 36 hours than i have in many years. \r\n\r\ni do not know anyone, i am aware, killed in these attacks.. when i see names of those lost from hi-jacked planes scrolling across tv screen... i see my child on flight, i see my brother on 80th floor, - my hurt aches unnecessary loss of life has happened their families.\r\n\r\nyou know, when i in my alcoholism addiction... wars could have broke out around me i would not have even been aware... if i aware, i felt numb. \r\n\r\ni am sober today - i care my prayers american families have suffered terrible loss. \r\nmay god bless them keep them until then-  we have been glued to t.v. since horrific events on tuesday morning.  i walking back from front of farm where i wait bus to pick up my step son.  my partner frantically urged me to hurry into house showed me computer monitor, where a pic of wtc building smoldering at top.  i looked at t.v. saw pentagon also in flames colapsed.  i in shock.  i could not believe one of most important monuments of country had been violated.  as i watched news coverage seen devistation in new york, i wept in disbelief.  i believe i am still in a state of denial as to signicance of has occurred.  from time to time i feel sorrow i have yet to feel a real sense of anger or rage.  my most significant thought has been, how can i help?  is a big difference from way i thought felt as a drunk.  my statements would have been more along lines of hatered anger, name calling rage.  thank god i am sober in a more reasonable state of mind.  today i choose to let those who know how to deal these problems do their job.  i urge my fellow citizens to do can do to help, avoid two wrongs....we can not overcome hatered more fanatical hatered.  let us deal one another on an individual basis.  not every middle eastern person is enemy, just like every japanese not during attack on pearl harbor, just like not every german not during second world war, just like viet namese during war....   i don\\\'t think i have any words yet to describe how i feel inside yet.  just a numbness, i think is normal or at least not a surprise to me.  i know in my early sobriety i read because a old aa timer gave it to me a book on grieving loss, i remember is 7 stages of grief.  anytime we grieving over a loss, whether it is a death of a loved one, a job, drinking, drugs or has happened last week we suffer go thru these 7 stages of grief sometimes we can get stuck in one.  i know it helped me because any knowledge helps us, to know a pattern to loss i not alone even in my feelings it helped me it helped me to progress to next stage because it easier to let go of last of course finally stage is acceptance. i can not remember week all stages are. i will have to research find them, hospice program has a great deal of information about loss. if i remember first stage is denial i can\\\'t remember 2nd, must be where i am i believe rest of world, like a foggy, not really sure where feeling. i will be back to write again, thanks opportunity, will close today we in aa taught god\\\'s will not mine. thank jp  ',' terrible loss ','  billsfriend  christina  janice  ',2,'BillsFriend',1000359322,'blank.gif',0,13,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (17,'United we stand',1000398578,15,' united we stand  is it any coincidence one of main principles of program of aa is unity?  in past few days of derangement distruction, we have witnessed how when people faced disaster, almost automatically come together work to overcome solve problem.  we sober members of aa not unfamiliar concept.  as practiciing drunks we were selfish self-centered.  not because we wanted to be, because we were spiritually sick could not.  when we get sober we reconnect spirituality humanity.  we able to say how can i help?  can i do to overcome help others to overcome?  in doing so, we take insurance not only ourselves, everyone who is affected.  if uncertain of principle of unity means purpose is, just watch how people of new york have come together.  observe how congress has come together rallied behind president, put aside their petty differences.  pay attention how other countries of world have also reached out committed to help overcome insanity terror.  from time to time, pause a moment thank god part of human race, a citizen of a nation is run by democracy, a  sober member of aa.   ',' united we stand ','  christina  ',0,'christina',1000398578,'blank.gif',0,5,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (18,'Congress Retirement Benefits',1000589621,15,' congress retirement benefits  \r\nour senators/congressmen do not pay into social security, and, therefore\r\nthey do not collect from it. social security benefits were not suitable for\r\nthem.\r\n\r\nthey felt should have a special plan. many years ago voted in\r\ntheir benefit plan. in more recent years, no congress person has felt need \r\nto change it. after all, it is a great plan. all practical purposes, \r\ntheir plan works like this: when retire no matter how long have been \r\nin office, continue to draw their same pay until die, except it may\r\nbe increased from time to time by cost-of-living adjustments.\r\n\r\nfor example, former senator bill bradley (new jersey) his wife may be\r\nexpected to draw $7,900,000.00 over an average life span, mrs. \r\nbradley drawing $275,000.00 during last year of her life. their cost this\r\nexcellent plan is \\\"0,\\\" nada, zilch. little perk voted in for\r\nthemselves is free to them. i pick up tab plan. \r\n\r\nour tax dollars at work! social security, i pay into every payday \r\nfor own retirement, an equal amount matched by employer, we can\r\nexpect to get an average of $1,000 per month.\r\n\r\nor, we would have to collect benefits 68 years 1 month to \r\nequal bradley\\\'s benefits. imagine a moment could structure a\r\nretirement plan so desirable, a retirement plan worked so well, that\r\nrailroad employees, postal workers, others who were not in plan\r\nwould clamor to be included. is how good social security could be, if only\r\none small change made. change would be to jerk golden fleece\r\n\r\nretirement plan out from under senators/congressmen. put them into the\r\nsocial security plan rest of us. watch how fast fix it!!!!!\r\n\r\nif enough people receive maybe a seed will be planted, maybe good\r\nchanges will evolve.\r\n\r\ndon\\\'t forget, girl, hillary rodham clinton, thanks to infinite\r\nwisdom of new york state voters, now comes under congressional \r\nretirement  plan.\r\n\r\ntalking about clinton\\\'s, it\\\'s common knowledge that, in order her\r\nto establish nys residency, purchased a million + house in upscale\r\nchappaqua, ny. makes sense. now, entitled to secret service\r\nprotection life. still makes sense. here is where it becomes interesting.\r\n\r\na residency had to be built in order to house secret service agents.\r\nthe clinton\\\'s now charge secret service rent use of said residence\r\nand rent is just about equal to their mortgage payment, meaning that\r\nwe, tax payers, paying clinton\\\'s mortgage it\\\'s all perfectly  legal.\r\n\r\n  ',' congress retirement benefits ','  marilynn  ',0,'Marilynn',1000589621,'icon1.gif',0,4,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (19,'if....',1000589843,2,' if....  if can start day without caffeine or pep pills, \r\n\r\nif can be cheerful, ignoring aches pains, \r\n\r\nif can resist complaining boring people your \r\ntroubles, \r\n\r\nif can eat same food everyday be grateful \r\nit, \r\n\r\nif can understand when loved ones too busy to give \r\nyou time, \r\n\r\nif can overlook when people take things out on \r\nwhen, through no \r\n\r\nfault of yours, something  goes wrong, \r\n\r\nif can take criticism blame without resentment, \r\n\r\nif can face world without lies deceit, \r\n\r\nif can conquer tension without medical help, \r\n\r\nif can relax without liquor, \r\n\r\nif can sleep without aid of drugs, \r\n\r\n\r\nthen probably a dog.   ',' if.... ','  marilynn  ',0,'Marilynn',1000589843,'blank.gif',0,4,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (20,'Fear of financial insecurity',1000620542,5,' fear of financial insecurity  i still have one.  ',' fear of financial insecurity ','  sobergeek  ',0,'Sobergeek',1000620542,'icon27.gif',0,1,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (21,'This website',1000620763,6,' this website  whoever put together website has done a very good job. \r\ni have to say is probably one of best websites on internet concerning alcoholics anonymous. just wanted to say thanks carrying message on web. \r\n\r\n  ',' this website ','  sobergeek  ',0,'Sobergeek',1000620763,'icon12.gif',0,3,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (22,'America\\\'s Tragedy',1000846664,12,' america\\\'s tragedy  my feelings week have been more intense than have been since i a child. i just cannot believe it. \r\n\r\ngod, please help us.   [quote]my feelings week have been more intense than have been since i a child. i just cannot believe it. \r\n\r\ngod, please help us. [/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                     im new in recovery only a couple of days so im having a problem my own feelings right now so i dont even know how i feel about  how sad  [quote][quote]my feelings week have been more intense than have been since i a child. i just cannot believe it. \r\n\r\ngod, please help us. [/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                     im new in recovery only a couple of days so im having a problem my own feelings right now so i dont ev             en know how i feel about  how sad[/quote]                                                               thanks reminding me im not only one in world  im not exactly sure how board works or who gets messages or hell smilies bb  board is actually pretty cool... i have seen alot of boards... one has tons of features... play it, will learn it like it very much.\r\n\r\nso new to sobriety? welcome brother to world of being outer gutter on curb (my defintion of spirituality). difference is huge... on curb, can regain self-respect, choices, trust, freedom.\r\n\r\nit is ok not to know how feel right now... stay sober will start to thraw out. took me awhile.. i still am thrawing out, my drinking made me very frozen.\r\n\r\nhang in bro...  well im not really new i have been trying to do off on 15 years sober 7yrs 2 yrs well get drift time im going to try to do it aa i have done in past having computer to work as a tool is also helpful when cant sleep at 3:oo am know i mean  ',' america\'s tragedy ','  sobergeek  cwh  cwh  cwh  sobergeek  cwh  ',5,'Sobergeek',1000620905,'blank.gif',0,21,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (23,'time to make those amends',1000621050,13,' time to make those amends  week has made me not want to put off eight ninth step much longer. \r\n\r\nlife is too fragile.  ',' time to make those amends ','  sobergeek  ',0,'Sobergeek',1000621050,'icon14.gif',0,1,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (24,'A letter to those responsible',1000830438,15,' a letter to those responsible  to whom it may concern: \r\n\r\nyou think have us? think have taught us \\\"something\\\"? think have cowed us? obviously have some semblance of intelligence. put together massive attack, all coordination dedication. did find out first who we really are? did take time to get to know us before condemned way of life, we stand for? do think a people fought so hard we have would just buckle fall? crumble at your pitiful display of resolve? must must know whole world stands against you. who would dare sanction such acts? terrorism? we not afraid. \r\nahhh.. time questions is over. think have attacked america. have attacked us all... boy, girl, man , woman. black or white. american, canadian, russian, mexican, israeli, i could go on days. will not stand. i pray every night will take responsibility i can not put into words. strove to drive us apart. have bound us tighter ever. many nations under god liberty justice all. i do not know fate, may god have mercy on your soul. \r\n  yes, aa teaches us we have to stand principals freedom of religion is most precious life itself. we come to aa because we want to live again, we carry message so others may.  twelve steps of program apply to all life message is all. yes, we stand united. we \\\"life\\\" gods will those who not.   ',' a letter to those responsible ','  sobergeek  janice  ',1,'Sobergeek',1000621340,'blank.gif',0,14,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (25,'Getting out of bed',1000855857,2,' getting out of bed  i have days lately where i do not want to get out of bed...\r\nmy mind is like a vulchar at end of bedpost in morning sometimes waiting me to open my eyes...\r\n\r\n\\\"good morning,\\\" it says, \\\"might as well not get out of bed today... going to lose your job. know pain in your shoulder? it\\\'s cancer. will be dying soon.\\\" sometimes, i wish i could just make my head shut hell up. \r\n\r\ni have learned in a.a., dont drink... go to meetings... work others... seems to help.   getting out of bed                                                                                                                                                                                          thank god getting me this far without drinking. now time to get up  ',' getting out of bed ','  sobergeek  cwh  ',1,'Sobergeek',1000787653,'icon23.gif',0,4,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (26,'Need Some Advice',1000959528,10,' need some advice  i have a sister i have not spoke to almost 15 years... i just got her email address thinking about sending her an email... she can be very mean... fell kind of scared about it. can someone please give me a recommendation?\r\n   well, \r\n\r\nlong ago i had to make some decisions she did not support since time she has hated me.  ',' need some advice ','  tina  cwh  tina  ',2,'tina',1000788531,'blank.gif',0,9,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (27,'Freaky Thing',1000849146,15,' freaky thing  \r\n> > > date of attack: 9/11   9+1+1=11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > sept. 11t is  254th day of year:  2+5+4=11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > after sept. 11th  111 days  left to end of year.\r\n> > >\r\n> > > 119 is area code to iran/iraq: 1 + 1 + 9 = 11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > twin towers- standing side by side, looks like number 11 first\r\nplane\r\n> > > to hit towers flight 11.\r\n> > >\r\n> > > coincidence..there\\\'s more....\r\n> > >\r\n> > > state of new york- 11th state added to union\r\n> > >\r\n> > > new york city- 11 letters\r\n> > >\r\n> > > afghanistan- 11 letters\r\n> > >\r\n> > > pentagon- 11 letters\r\n> > >\r\n> > > ramzi yousef- 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating attack on the\r\n> > > wtc  in 1993)\r\n> > >\r\n> > > flight 11- 92 on board- 9 + 2 = 11\r\n> > >\r\n> > > flight 77 - 65 on board- 6 + 5 = 11\r\n  ',' freaky thing ','  tina  ',0,'tina',1000849146,'blank.gif',0,4,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (28,'look at this : Usamabinladen.com',1000959727,15,' look at : usamabinladen.com  found on network solutions (internic database)... notice state is pa: \r\n\r\n\r\ninternet domain registrars whois server v.1.3\r\n\r\nregistrant:bombs r\\\' us\r\npo 666 helltown, pa 66666us(ph) 666-666-6666 \r\ndomain name: usamabinladen.com\r\nadministrative contact:bin cocksucker, usama  (usbi6085)  usamabinladen1@hotmail.com\r\npo 666helltown, pa 66666us(ph) 666-666-6666 \r\ntechnical contact:bin cocksuker, usama  (usbi9099)  usamabinladen1@hotmail.com\r\npo box 666helltown, pa 66666us(ph) 666-666-6666 \r\nbilling contact:bin cocksucker, usama  (usbi1913)  usamabinladen1@hotmail.com\r\n\r\npo box 666helltown, pa 666\r\nus(ph) 666-666-6666 \r\nregistration date:   17-oct-2000 00:57:00\r\nexpiration date: 17-oct-2001 00:57:00\r\n\r\ndomain servers in listed order:\r\nns1.gamertoday.com           63.83.254.98\r\nns2.gamertoday.com           63.83.254.99\r\n  ',' look at : usamabinladen.com ','  tina  ',0,'tina',1000959727,'blank.gif',0,1,NULL);
INSERT INTO thread VALUES (29,'How do get started?',1006552858,16,' how do get started?  what\\\'s best place to start?  thanks  ',' how do get started? ','  admin  ',0,'admin',1006552858,'blank.gif',0,6,NULL);

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